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Posted:  08 Mar 2010 17:05
check this link out at CBR

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/03/01/the-political ...

It is an extention of what we have been talking about regarding bias or wisdom of comics.
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Posted:  08 Mar 2010 17:52
Great Article, and I really think it hits the nail on the head. 

It's easy for folks to get outraged about this issue or that, but by and large comics are American and embrace those self Same Americna Ideals that both American Liberals and Conservative define themselves by.

Comics are about the individual doing good, and making the world a better place.  They are about the failure of big instituions and the success of local solutions.  It's hard to say that perspective is really not at home in both political ideologies in the U.S.

The one obvious area of disconnect however is in specific issues, and the embrace of those issues by one group or another.  Issues of the equality of minorities are likely to get more play in comics, but that is likely because it's hard to write the opposite perspecitve (unless your Jack Chick) and not come off as a horrible person.

So if being a conservative means that you have to have the hard line on social issues, then comics are certainly liberal.  On most everythign else however they are pretty conservative, especially within the question of whether or not one should trust the government.

I think it's an irony, that what is essentially a conservative message (a government with the power to give you everything has the power to take it all away) winds up being seen as liberal, because the government in the real world winds up being run by "conservatives".

If you make the government the enemy (as comics often do) then the government in power will likely be seen as the enemy.    If conservatives wind up in power more often than not, they are going to wind up being the bad guy.

If you think about it.  Since Nixon, we've only had 13 years with Democrats in the whitehouse.  I can't say the government in the 90's (during the Mutant Hysteria) was depicted as any more positive then it was during the Bush or Regan years, but people tend to focus on that issue, and not the fact that generally speaking the message was conservative (at least partially).
Posted:  09 Mar 2010 03:31
True Matches. Although, I see liberal bias in specific things, not so much in the overall theme. I doubt they would have had Clinton turning into a snake like they did to Reagan (though that was done tongue in cheek).

Bottom line, they're comics. They should stay away from overtly political messages anyway.
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Posted:  09 Mar 2010 20:09
Nope, but they did have him in a whore house in the X-men.

Interestingly enough, the writer had written in the script that it should be Gulliani, but the artist decided to make it Clinton.

No name mentioned, but it was obvious by the depiction who it was supposed to be.

Also, one thing to remember, given Marvel's sliding time line.  Eventually it will have been Obama who was turned into a Snake, He also will eventually be the head of the Secret Empire, if you can wrap your head around that?
Posted:  10 Mar 2010 01:35
The essay spends a lot of time using more traditional definitions of liberal and conservative, which is fine for me as an Aussie but at the end of the day what they mean in the US and what they mean in the rest of the world are too different things.  As such, while he makes the case that Marvel is more 'conservative', I think at the end of the day it doesn't address the real debate.  It's semantics.

I liked this paragraph on Civil War though.  It confuses the hell out of me that some US conservatives can put themselves on the pro-registration side.

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Marvel has always been a bit more concerned with "real-world" stuff than DC, and this decade they've tried to be even more "relevant" (as relevant as superhero comics can be, that is, which isn't much). The axis around which the Marvel Universe has revolved for most of the decade is Civil War, which many people read incorrectly. It's not traditional right-wingers who "won" the Civil War, it's traditional left-wingers. This may sound insane to you, but it's true. Many people read Civil War as a parallel of Bush's expansion of governmental power due to the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001, which isn't a terrible interpretation. However, it's not the best analogy. While the terrorist attacks occurred in the Marvel Universe, they had absolutely no impact (Civil War, you'll recall, began five years after 2001 and two years after the Iraq war began, and jokes about Steve McNiven's slowness aside, that's too long to draw a completely accurate parallel). Civil War was spurred on not by a terrorist attack, but by a supervillain losing control of his powers. The closest analogue in the real world would be gun control. People have guns and many of them have no idea how to use them. So the government wants to control the flow of guns and people's ownership of them. Who is in favor of gun control? Liberals. So the government in Civil War is, despite being headed by George Bush (or someone who looks a lot like him), doing what today's liberals want: Controlling things that are "too dangerous" for people left to their own devices. Conservatives should have been on Captain America's side in Civil War: The government has no right to step in and control these people, especially because guns (or superpowers) aren't inherently evil - it depends on the person using them. The triumph of Iron Man and the government in Civil War is a triumph of the nanny state. I remember some of the kerfuffle over Civil War when it came out. Conservatives whined that Marvel was showing the government of George Bush as fascist. Perhaps they should have thought about it a bit more. Civil War is a classic example of a government that thinks it knows best trying to regulate what people can do with their lives. And yet conservatives thought Marvel was picking on them. A bit silly, really.
Posted:  11 Mar 2010 18:48
You know I really never saw it in that light. I, like many others, just assumed that it was more of a Patriot Act type of thing, but now that the writer mentions it, the view represented makes perfect sense.

Anyhow I was 100% Anti-Registration during the year of 2006. I had such a hate of Iron Man that I am just recently opening up to the idea of liking him since the second movie is coming out and looks really cool.
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