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Nathan Fillion is a good actor and nobody better say he's too old because he's my age.
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Im afraid if he was Cap, people wouldnt take the movie seriously. Another great point. If it's the wrong actor he won't be taken seriously and the whole thing becomes a farce. Quote:
Yeah I'd think Cena would make a great Cap, but you're right, it would be hard to get past his wrestling personality. Thanks for pointing this out. For someone to play Cap we would have to be able to look beyond what he has already done whether it be acting, political views, etc. He's a huge charachter and casting him should be done with care.That's just IMHO.
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Quote: I've heard this Mark Valley name before. I would not call him a big star. I didn't know he was until I looked him up. You do know he is in his mid 40's, right? Check him out: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0885090/ I didn't know he was that old. Maybe I made a bad choice.
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I don't really have a problem with his wrestling. I know that is just an act. For some reason, I have an inability to look past his act. I am also a fan of late 70's to mid 80's wrestling and I consider that far superior to what it is today. The good ol' days of kayfabe.
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The Rock kicks ass though. Yeah he does. Wrestling is not the same without him.
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I never considered the Rock as CAP, but good to watch. And yes, Arnold is a pretty bad actor. But he is WAY more than that. He is a star, and that will overshadow his acting anyday. You are right though, he became a star from The Terminator. Arnold is my hero! I want a movie career like him, of course, so do a lot of other people, but I am not worried about them, because I am me, and me am I? I have most of Arnold's movies on DVD. Trying to get them all.
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because I am me, and me am I? Didn't Popeye say that. 
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I think that was," I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam."
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Popeye? I don't want to be associated with him too much. We used to have a cadence about him in the Marines. Goes like this:
Navy, Navy don't feel blue
(by formation leader,then repeated by formation)
Popeye was a little Fa$$@! too!
Not PC, but neither is war and killing. Cap would agree.
I'll let you know when I get some real parts other than extra work.
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Popeye's cool it's just an anti-Navy thing the Marines got going on, I guess.
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Rock rules, bleach his skin, put a blond wig, ... Naw, as much as I love the Rock in that Cap suit, it won't work. One: Everyone will say, "That's the Rock." "What's Rock doing with a blond wig?"
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Heh, heh. Picture The Rock giving the peoples eyebrow through the Cap mask.
"You nazis can take your anti-semitism, turn it sideways, and STICK IT STRAIGHT UP YOUR CANDY A**!
"IF YOU SSSMMMMMMMEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLL WHAT THE CAP IS COOKIN!"
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Haven't any of you guys saw that awful 90s Cap movie? Cap had a girlfriend, met her 60 years later, remarried and has a daughter that he hit on, ...plus, the WW2 stuff was about 10 minutes long, barely learned who or what Cap was, other than a California dude with a big family, ... Skull strapped Cap to a rocket and fired him at the Whitehouse, then became a conspriracy bad guy who plotted the assassination of Martin Luther King and the two Kennedy boys. It was AWFUL, JUST SIMPLY AWFUL, and I'm reading you guys suggesting the same themes and ideas presented in that movie.
Also, the director of that 90s trash was a guy who made the Sword and the Sorceror, the one with bad lines, bad plots, bad actings, bad concepts (A 3 bladed sword that fires a blade and sends its victim flying backward?), ... From Wizard mag, I read that they wanted the guy who made that Jack Black movie, Nacho Vid-something something, to make the Cap movie! Just like the 90s, a bad movie maker hired to make the Cap movie. You need Spielberg, or Sommers (from the Mummy movies), or the guys who made the Daredevil movie, or some of the James Bond movie.
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I've never saw that Nacho movie. It didn't look like a Oscar winner from the commercials that's for sure.
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Haven't any of you guys saw that awful 90s Cap movie? Yes, we have.
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Cap had a girlfriend, met her 60 years later, remarried and has a daughter that he hit on I would like Cap to go see his girlfriend from the 40's. Not hit on her daughter who would probably be in her fifties to begin with.
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the WW2 stuff was about 10 minutes long, barely learned who or what Cap was
Agreed. We need more backstory and more WWII combat. They should show Steve when he is skinny and weak, his relationship with Gail or whatever they decide here name should be, his love for his country, etc.
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other than a California dude with a big family Agreed. Cap should be from New York. Although, I wouldn't put it past the Hollywood bastardization of movies to have him be from California.
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... Skull strapped Cap to a rocket and fired him at the Whitehouse, then became a conspriracy bad guy who plotted the assassination of Martin Luther King and the two Kennedy boys. I remember the part about the Red Skull strapping him to a rocket but I don't remember conspiracy theories. I'll wager you're right because it does sound like crap.
Skull should be a nazi, not an Italian fascist.
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or the guys who made the Daredevil movie I disagree. I thought Daredevil was sub-par at best. Affleck was a horrible choice for Matt Murdock/Daredevil. I thought the fight scene in the park with Elektra was dumb, and to top it off, they were always playing that crappy new-age rock or whatever it was. Last time I checked, the Kingpin was a white guy, and before you call me a racist, this is just an example how Hollywood bastardizes movies. Another example would be that Matt's dad was 'The Devil' instead of 'Battling'. Also, hardly any backstory on Matt Murdock. Why not show him training with Stick? Instead we are led to beleive that radioactive waste endows one with martial arts and acrobatic ability. I actually thought about turning it off about 3 times.
So, I say a big fat 'no' to getting the Daredevil crew on a Cap movie.
Sorry about the Daredevi rant, kind of off topic.
However, the actors that played Foggy and Ben Urich were really great.
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| Posted: 02 Feb 2007 21:18 Last Edited By: Tim |
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Gee, I liked Daredevil. The music makes it a good movie to run on a treadmill to. I thought it was pretty fast paced as well. It may not have been completely faithful to the comic book but it was fun to watch. The guy who played Daredevil's dad is a good actor too, he's from Knoxville Tn , I believe.
I guess one reason I'm not as hard on Daredevil may be the fact that he's one of my secondary favorite heroes not like Cap, Spidey, Superman, or the Hulk.
Plus keeping it fast paced and action filled may have also contributed to my forgiving spirit, but for whatever the reason it's one I enjoy watching again and again.
Watch the second Incredible Hulk tv movie with Daredevil then watch the Daredevil movie, and see if it doesn't suddenly become a whole lot better.
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My disdain for Affleck knows no bounds.
Daredevil is also one of my second tier heroes as well. But I have friends who are huge Daredevil fans and were absolutely crushed when they heard Affleck was playing Daredevil. They were comic guys and the movie strayed a little to far from the source material for them.
To get back on topic, the road the Cap movie should take should go in the opposite direction of Daredevil. No crappy music. They used some in the first Spider-Man (Macy Gray and that "Hero" song) but seemed to use just the instrumental stuff in SM2. Which was much better.
I say keep pop culture out of the Cap movie. Pop culture is the Devil.
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| Posted: 03 Feb 2007 19:34 Last Edited By: Tim |
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I guess I'm all the over the place when it comes to music I enjoy most of the music on the Daredevil soundtrack, but while I'm working on the computer I tend to go with more classical music like Elvis, Frank Sinatra, gospel, and even real classical Mozart type music sometimes.
Captain America should have real 1940's music at least during the WW2 scenes like Glen Miller, and some Superman style orchestra music in the John Williams tradition, however I wouldn't be opposed to at least one real good rock anthem with a go America patriotic message when Cap comes to the present, kind of like that Real American song.
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Captain America should have real 1940's music at least during the WW2 scenes like Glen Miller Absolutely. We have to believe we are in the 40's.
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and some Superman style orchestra music in the John Williams tradition The great and powerful John Williams, is there a greater composer of movie scores? I love his music.
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however I wouldn't be opposed to at least one real good rock anthem with a go America patriotic message when Cap comes to the present, kind of like that Real American song. A good rock song. This is going to take some thought. None of that new age hippie rock, something classic maybe. Off the top of my head:
Rockin' In The Free World-Neil Young
Livin' In The USA-Steve Miller
Star Spangled Banner-Jimi Hendrix
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None of that new age hippie rock, something classic maybe. Off the top of my head:
Ok, but technically I think Jim Hendrix was a hippy.
So how about some 80's kind of metal sound maybe kind of hard like ACDC.
Music is probably as touchy a subject as politics.
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So how about some 80's kind of metal sound maybe kind of hard like ACDC. Yeah! I have on my AC/DC hat as we speak. What about...'Safe in New York City' since Steve is from N.Y. Or 'For Those About To Rock'.
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Music is probably as touchy a subject as politics.
Music should be a safe subject. The use of existing music should compliment the film. Forrest Gump is the best example I can think of for this. Every song in that movie fit the scene perfectly.
I might go through my 900 songs of rock and metal on my iTunes and see if I can come up with something that would be proper for the Cap movie. Be back when I have some answers.
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I used to like Born in the USA until Springsteen kept whining all the time about Bush.
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I've skimmed through some of the suggestions in the forum and I like a lot of them (particularly the 2 movie idea), but I would like to see a Cap movie with a great deal of soul to it.
I'm usually the amongst my friends who hates it when a movie steers away from the origins of a hero, but I think I would slightly modify Steve Roger's reasons for joining Rebirth. I would make him deeply apposed to the racial prejudices in the late 30's, and have a scene where he fails to stand up to a group of guys messing with a black man at a diner. And after that have a family friend's Jewish aunt and/or uncle make it back from Europe and describe Nazi occupation.
This would lead into a powerful scene where he's holding up recruitment flyer after hearing about Pearl Harbor and he says something like "The world has to be made free, for everyone!"
I would then contrast his character to Red Skull, showing him as a Nazi currently on the eastern front disregarding Wilhelm Canaris's orders to not kill non-partisans and civilians. Give him a symbolically blood stained red skull on his SS cap, and then proceed from there into comic version of him more or less.
I would also like to see him supported by Sgt. Fury and the Howling Commandos at some point in the movie through his fight into Europe. Maybe lead that into a Nick Fury movie, or have Fury in the second one, staying young with the Infinity Formula. At some point Cap would come across a Concentration Camp too late, everyone exterminated by Red Skull before he could make it, leading into the climactic battle before he somehow gets frozen saving the Allies from probably some poorly constructed nuclear device we learn later was used in the Manhattan Project.
In the second movie when he learns of this it can add to Caps anger at the reality of America versus its ideals. During the briefing for his mission to stop Red Skull in the first movie he would interject with how no one with a conscience would use such a weapon.
In the second movie I would focus on how Americans are harshly divided politically, how corrupt officials are, and Caps conflict with American Reality and Ideal. I would probably use Fury to illustrate the pragmatic "ends justify the means" side of American policy and security, and cause conflict between the two.
In the end what I think would make a better set of movies is focusing on the core of what Captain America is really about, his struggle with the Dream versus Reality. I mean, he's going to beat some Nazi ass along the way, have him make some quarterback style tactical badassery to fake out the enemy with a team a few times, and do all the things we love about Cap, but I stress the fact that a good Cap movie isn't just about Cap being badass, but about the American Ideal.
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Sounds reasonable.
I like the idea of making sure Nick Fury is in the movie.
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Alright, what path should it take? Well, in times like this in America where we have the phenomena that is "Purple America" where we are so bitterly divided by left and right, we need some symbol to unite a nation. We need a Captain America in Times like these.
Captain America needs to be above and beyond politics. One that people will argue for hours whether he is liberal or conservative, while the people who understood go "You people are stupid."
We need three major things to happen in the movie to show the nature of Captain America- He has to meet his assumed Demise fighting Nazis. He must voluntarily re enlist after his revival to fight a new terrorist threat. And finally, the terrorists need to have some connection to the government so that the good Captain shows that he is not a servant of the government, but of America itself.
The movie has to portray a Captain America that everyone of all political affiliations, from Democrat to Republican and even non authoritarian forms of socialist can get behind.
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the terrorists need to have some connection to the government
I'm not sure I dig that, perhaps he could disagree with the government here and there, or I guess there could be a spy in the government or something which sounds like an episode of 24.
I do agree Captain America should be a servant of the people and not the government. I wish the government felt the same way.
I think there are issues that most agree on easily. Take the environment. Everybody wants a cleaner environment, but it's how far are you willing to go, or what should you do to get it that way that starts the arguments. In this case all Cap has to say is, let's keep America clean. Boom, everybody is happy.
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The first Cap film should take place completely during world war 2, ending with his "death". Then a second film could start with him found in a block ice years later .
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The first filmshould take place completely during ww2ending with his "death" . A sequal could star with him waking up in a block of ice years later.
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Above all else Captain America sybolizes moral clarity in the marvel universe.Therefore he is often the assumed leader in many situations even though he may be somewhat super power challenged compared to his constituants.Also, was there ever a more powerful scene of moral clarity than when Cap squished the Beyonder in Secret Wars?
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Above all else Captain America sybolizes moral clarity in the marvel universe.
That's true Cap is always the go to guy on what's right or wrong in the Marvel Universe.
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How about Ving Rames or somebody play the Falcon?
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Oh yeah, almost forgot pre serum Steve Rogers should be a crew cut wearing David Spade with a limp.
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