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http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/02/11/captain-america-tea-part ...
Well, #602 has caused a lot of tension between "Socialist" and "Tea Bag" is making everyone mad...
Geez, it's a COMIC book...what people will complain about...
I said politcal mess 'cause if you haven't noticed...Captain America is growing from what I said, to a politcal man..Demo or Repblican...
(Dark Reign, The Chosen, #22-25, Civil War...)
What is this?
WHY?
WHERE'S THE REAL CAP?
I don't get this...
It's also stupid...
I'm sorry, I have alot to say, but I don't have guts to spill it out.
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Some historical perspective (partially taken from a post I wrote in another forum)....
Here's the deal. Politics is nothing new in a Captain America book.
Hell, the cover of the first issue of the first comic has Cap punching Hitler. It may not seem very political now as Hitler is obviously one of the classic villains. But back in 1940, there were isolationists who didn't want to go to war. Simon and Kirby were definitely making a statement just as Charlie Chaplin did with his movie The Great Dictator in 1940 before America entered the war and we had no problems making the Nazis the bad guys by 1942. And we've had politics ever since with commie-smashers in the 1950s, Englehart taking on "Nixon" in the 70s with the Secret Empire story, white supremacy in the late 70s, Gruenwald turning Reagan into a snake in the 80s, etc. Writers do sometimes put their bias in their work.
But Cap seems to work the best when the politics are left vague enough that each political spectrum relates in their own way. That way, the Conservatives think of Cap as their guy and the Liberals think the same as well. Each views the character through their own political bias goggles. I've read that Kirby always wrote Cap as a fighter for the New Deal and Roger Stern, writer of one of the top runs in Cap, always viewed Cap as an FDR Liberal, true to the era he grew up in. And yet I've read in other threads on this forum that some view Cap as a classic conservative, despite what many of the creators think. The point is, we all have our own political bias and view Cap through it.
Also, think about this. On this very forum are posts and threads discussing what Cap would do in the real world or what he would stand for in our real world. Many of those answers tend to side with that person's political views. Essentially, we as Cap fans are already politicizing the character. I don't see these type of conversations about Spider-man or the Legion of Super-heroes. Why? Because he carries the name America, wears the flag, and has become symbol. It's built in to a character that is Patriotic as we each try to define what that means.
So, in short, politics is nothing new in Cap. But perhaps it is best to be vague enough to appeal to everyone.
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Roger Stern viewed Cap very much as a product of the 1940s and a likely FDR Democrat. Interestingly, Ronald Reagan viewed himself the same way.
Essentially, any good writer for such a character will try to bring elements that will please the broadest audience. Vince Flynn writes about Mitch Rapp, who would never be associated with Democrats today. But he usually has a Democrat president who oddly enough behaves like a typical Republican president on various issues.
Similarly, in 24, Dennis Haysbert plays the first Black Democrat president, but espouses action much like one would expect a Republican to do, yet social issues like a Democrat.
I see a lot of liberal bias in comic books, though. I think Cap's stand for freedom from oppression and government regulations is fundamentally at odds with the current Democratic party and liberal wing of politics.
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Well, at one point Ronald Reagan WAS a Democrat.
When CIVIL WAR came out during a Republican administration, it was an allegory for the debate at that time about whether we should give up some of our civil liberties for security. Generally, most likened it to Iron Man being for the security much like most conservatives were with backing the decisions President Bush was making to Cap representing the civil liberties angle which many liberals were backing. Now that the Presidency has flipped to Democrat, it is interesting to see many conservatives picking up the anti-government angle again.
Would Cap support a war against a country that really did NOT any WMDs?
Would Cap support an constitutional amendment banning gay marriage?
Would Cap support water boarding?
Would Cap support nation building?
Would Cap support big business and Wall Street having less regulation from government when it could lead to abuse and our current economic woes?
Interesting questions. If Yes, then he might be more conservative. If no, then he might be more liberal.
You are probably right about a liberal bias in comics. Most creative people tend to lean left. Not to say there aren't some conservatives working in the comics field though. There are some. But every field has its bias. Speaking very generally, colleges and schools tend to run liberal. Religious institutions and business tend to run conservative. Hollywood liberal. The Vatican conservative. Everyone's got their bias.
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I think Atomic99 said it best. There's a lot of 'Cap believes' being actually 'I believe'. In a way that's the beauty of Cap. I mean I myself can't help but view him through my own libertarian prism. American dream, founding fathers, individual freedom all of that.
Atomic99 is right, it is best when Cap's politics are ambiguous enough to appeal to anyone who basically isn't an authoritarian.
Interestingly enough, the stand that Captain America took is perfectly compatible with traditional conservatism. Prior to the rise of neoconservatism as the dominant strand of conservative thought in the US (a process that started towards the end of Reagan, grew during HK Bush, and then was completely dominant during W Bush's Presidency).
Traditional conservatism places a strong emphasis on liberty. Security as well of course but not at the expense of individual freedom. Conservatives played a big part in ending the draft for example. Republican candidates often ran on 'ending x war' platforms. This doesn't work out so well of course (eg, Nixon although he was never a strongly conservative Republican). Interestingly enough, one of George W Bush's campaign platforms was ending US nation building. As I always say, never trust politicians.
Gay marriage amendment: That's more of a christian coalition and neocon phenomenon. A conservative could go either way on that so. It doesn't seem like something Cap would support.
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Now that the Presidency has flipped to Democrat, it is interesting to see many conservatives picking up the anti-government angle again.
Yeah unfortunately the Republican Party is really great at discovering its small government principles when it is out of power. When it gets in power is when they forget about that. 'Never trust a politician'.
Ultimately liberty versus security is a lot older than Bush's Presidency. It's been a matter of political and philosophical debate going back to ancient Greece.
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Marvel issues an apology...FOR RACISM!
Has that really gone that far? Cap is NOT racist.
I copied and paste it:
Marvel Comics has found itself in the midst of a, pardon the use of the expression, tempest in a teapot. In the latest issue of Captain Amierca, issue 602, current Captain America, Bucky Barnes and The Falcon are attempting to infiltrate a group called “The Watchdogs”, an anti-government militia group that has begun to swell in its numbers as of late. That in itself is not the sole source of controversy. What has caused a stir is the appearance of several protest signs that, unintentionally or not, point to the Tea Party movement that has popped up in parts of America. Cap and Falcon are observing an anti-tax gathering, and several of the signs in the crowd indicate anti-tax and governement sentiment. One sign that stands out ties directly to the Tea Party movement, and that link has caused a minor wave of uproar amongst Tea Parties for this depiction, which puts them on the opposite side of a popular American superhero.
In reacting to the controversy, Marvel Editor-In-Chief Joe Quesada defended the issue itelf, but did issue an apology for the protest sign, which read “Tea bag the libs before they tea bag you”. Quesada said, “There was zero discussion to include a group that looked like a Tea Party demonstration. There was no thought that it represented a particular group.” The theory that this was intentional, however, was compounded by the fact that Falcon, an African-American superhero, comments that he “didn’t see a black man from Harlem fitting in with a bunch of angry White folks”, in response to Cap’s suggestion that they try to infiltrate the group.
Quesada went on to explain that the issue was on a tight deadline for release, saying that when they noticed several of the protest signs at the rally depicted in the book were empty, the editor of the book ased the letter to “fudge some quick signs”, which were pulled off the internet from images of Tea Party protests in order to make them more believable. Even though that happened, Quesada did admit that “a series of stupid mistakes” occured in order to get the issue out the door. In speaking with Yahoo New, Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips said it sounded less like an actual apology and more like a “sorry we got caught.”
I was also reading blogs about this...
They now think Cap is defending Tea-Bag/Racism...
THIS HAS GONE TO FAR...What's next?
If it stills carries on, guess what the movie will end to be?
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My only real statment on this is that you can't judge any story by a single issue.
This is intenteded in many ways I think to be a story of redemption both for 50's Cap, and Bucky.
What annoys me most about this is the number of people who haven't read cap in years, or have never read cap suddenly going on about how it's a betrayal of what Cap stands for.
Cap perhaps stands for the American dream, but what that dream is will differ depending on who you ask.
I think this story gets a lot more nuanced as it goes on, the preview of 603 seems to imply that.
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According to the article, Fox accused Marvel of making those people as supervillians, wait a minute, I thought it was a protest rally stripped from the headlines and newspaper articles I see and read everyday.
Bad Cap and the Watchdogs in that rally, isn't that what Bad guys do? Hide among regular people with opinions, lives and concerns about their government and country?
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Those panels were a disgrace since, to my knowledge "tea bagging" has been an exclusive pejorative used by liberals against the "tea party" folks. Also, it gave a VERY STRONG indication that those at the rally were all white bigots.
That isn't to say they are calling anti-government bigots as a whole, but it sure suggests that view, which, again, appears in a comic and should be dismissed.
As for Cap being conservative like Reagan or Bush or liberal like FDR or Clinton, I think is silly. The character is supposed to stand for the IDEALS of America. Overall, the comics tend to support the notion that he's not beholden to political party or agenda.
American principles are freedom from government, oppression and lawlessness. America was founded on principles of ownership and individual responsibility. Frankly, both major parties have lost sight of that.
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Well it comes from an actual sign, and a rather amusing one at that.
The news stories and FoxNews made it out to be the Falcon just randomly saying 'oh I wouldn't be welcome in that rally with those (cough racist cough) white teabaggers'.
I've since realised they are there to INFILTRATE and a black harlem man IS going to stick out like a sore thumb.
I'll be interested to see where this story goes but I definitely think it's just been a beat up. As a libertarian who gets called a racist by a very very ridiculous and obscure association (a racist once donated to Ron Paul and some racists go to a rally half way around the world) it initially struck a nerve.
I've learned something from the whole experience though which is a good thing.
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| Posted: 13 Feb 2010 02:05 Last Edited By: Pole805 |
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Here's another one, Marvel is is admiting something that small. It's a comic book...what's its supposed to mean?
I thought America was over differnce in race, I'm sick and tired of it. WHY TO PEOPLE PUT SO MUCH IMPORTANCE A RACE!
Otherwise, I copied and pasted it (again);
It looks like Marvel Comics' Captain America is throwing his mighty shield at the Tea Party Movement. Warner Todd Huston wrote on his Publius forum blog that the super-powered soldier who fought the Nazis in WWII observes with disdain Americans who are seemingly compared to Tea Party Movement protesters of today:
In issue number 602 of Captain America, a new story line has begun called “Two Americas.” In it the current Captain (there have been a few of them, apparently) is on the trail of a faux Captain America that is mentally deranged and getting chummy with some white supremacist, anti-government, survivalists types going by the name of “the Watchdogs.” While investigating this subversive group, Captain America and his partner The Falcon — a black super hero — have decided to try and infiltrate the secretive organization.
In preparation for the infiltration, Marvel Comics depicts the two super heroes out of costume and observing from a rooftop a street filled with what can only be described as a Tea Party protest. The scene shows crowds of people in city streets carrying signs that say, “stop the socialists,” “tea bag libs before they tea bag you,” and “no to new taxes.” Naturally, the people in these crowds are depicted as being filled with nothing but white folks.
Marvel Comics has responded to the controversy that has reached not just the conservative blogosphere but the comic book message boards as well. On the Cup O’ Joe column at Comic Book Resources, Marvel Comics Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada defends the Captain America story line in issue number 602, but he apologizes for a panel in the comic book that seems to identify the Tea Party movement with the fictional group portrayed in the comic. (btw, for Marvel fans, there are spoilers in here):
Joe Quesada: Hold on. Before digging into this, you're starting from a false premise. There was zero discussion to include a group that looked like a Tea Party demonstration. Ed [Brubaker] simply wrote in an anti-tax protest into his story to show one of the moods that currently exists in America. There was no thought that it represented a particular group.
And yes, what Ed said is absolutely true, he does shy away from labeling things and did exactly that in this instance. In Ed’s story, there was no connection to the Tea Party movement, that’s a screw up that happened after the fact and exactly what some people are getting upset about.
Joe Quesada: There is one legit criticism in there, and a lot of not so valid stuff, but let’s dive into this. By the way, for those that haven’t read "Captain America" #602, here’s your spoiler warning: read no further lest you want to know what’s going on.
In the story, our new Captain America – who is Steve Rogers’ old sidekick Bucky Barnes – and Sam Wilson the Falcon – another ex-sidekick of Steve Rogers – are in search of an armored super-militia group called the Watchdogs who attacked a sheriff and his squad and have set up roots in the hills outside of Boise, Idaho where they are building a weapon and planning an act of terrorism against the people in that town. Keep in mind that the Watchdogs have been villains in the Marvel Universe since 1987. Bucky and Sam hatch a plan to infiltrate this group and defeat it from within so they travel to Idaho. The idea behind this was to expose them both – in particular Sam (who has been portrayed most often as a leftist leaning character) – to other parts of America. While in Idaho in search of the Watchdogs, they come upon an anti-tax, anti-big government rally, which is something that Sam, in particular, hasn’t been personally exposed to, and it hits him the wrong way. Here, at this moment in the story, Sam is the fish out of water. This, however, is where Mr. Houston misreads what’s happening in the story. He assumes that the people protesting in the streets are the Watchdogs, when in fact they are not, so this is an element that is taken out of context. These protestors as written by Ed are no different than protesting crowds he wrote into issues of "Cap" last year. Only those protestors were angry about oil prices skyrocketing and the housing market problems. So in short, the Watchdogs, and the protestors aren’t connected, they just happen to be in the same story.
Where Mr. Houston is correct is in our accidently identifying in one of the held up signs, the group as being a part of the Tea Party instead of a generic protest group. That’s something that we need to apologize for and own up to, because it’s just one of those stupid mistakes that happened through a series of stupid incidents.
According to to Mr. Quesada, the book was ready to go to printer, but the panel in question had a group of protesters handling signs with no words on them, so the editor asked the letterer to "fudge in" some quick believable slogans at the last minute. The letterer referred to this sign as a sample to work from. Marvel has said newer editions of the comic book will not include the controversial art work. Unfortunately, the reach of the Tea Party smear job from broadcast media affected a story line at Marvel Comics, regardless of error. While, comic book companies want to give fantasy characters a sense of current day realism, wading into areas of politics is guaranteed kryptonite for at least half of their readership.
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Here's what I thinK...
these uhh..."Liberals" are on their feet looking for something that'll put their face on a magazine, or Fox news...so now instead of finding a resonable thing to fight about, thy're ripping off comic books.
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I'm not really buying the "fudge in" the slogans on the sign. doesn't pass the smell test.
Likewise, I don't think they were necessarily trying to disparage the Tea Party movement, though that's how it comes across in a mild way.
Like I said before, it's a comic book and I half-wonder if the outrage was planted to gin up interest in Captain America since the movie is soon to be underway.
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The author of the blog piece will be on The Captain America Archives podcast in an upcoming show along with another guest to give an opposing view. It will probably be released next week and I'll post a heads up in the Cap Podcasting thread I have elsewhere.
Brian Hancock runs the podcast and the show is about a month old. Most shows are geared for the family and light and brief but he's going to cover this with a longer "meatier" episode.
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"Here's another one, Marvel is is admiting something that small. It's a comic book...what's its supposed to mean?
I thought America was over differnce in race, I'm sick and tired of it. WHY TO PEOPLE PUT SO MUCH IMPORTANCE A RACE!"
Because people like to beat a dead horse and refuse to leave things in the past. Subjects like that yet remain open wounds in society because people will never allow them rest. I think its hard for people to remember that most races were slaves under the Romans, and there were greater atrocities in history than American atrocities. It should be our responsibility to remember and study these events, but not live them out again. If not then what are we really learning by living out an endless cycle. We cannot grow as a people united unless we set these things aside on a personal and universal note. Stand strong in what you believe and what you can do for you country. Your actions will speak louder than any racist words.
In many cases people can use racism as a crutch to get in an advantage in life. This is wrong. Every should be given a chance based off his or her qualifications, not what color skin that he or she may have. There should be a air of ambiguity by everyone that no longer sees people as an ethnic race, but rather an American. Europe does not judge us by our races, but rather our actions. The middle east does not see us as black or white, they see us as a Christian nation (despite all the secularism in modern day USA) and a threat to unite against as a whole.
Dividing ourselves only further labels each other. In our quest for individuality and uniqueness we are forgetting that these are also racial restrictive terms. When I was serving in the Air Force, I didn't care whether or not a person was black, white, brown or yellow. As long as a person can safely do his or her job and be held to the same standard I am, I would be happy. Every person should be thought of as equal and have the same opportunities. As said before, it is our actions that define us, not our skin color.
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Well, the issue is over, wait 'til #603 comes out...
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In many cases people can use racism as a crutch to get in an advantage in life
That's exactly what's wrong right now...
Whites, Blacks, Asians, anything, everyone points the finger at racisim.
I've had alot of experince with racial differences.
I remember, ignorant kids sayin'
"This wouldn't happen to me if I was white" or when they were in fights, they would yell "This is racisit" when I hear them everyday yelling racial remarks at each other..I wanna go up to them today, and see where they ended up...
REMEMBER THIS, I do:
All in all, #602 was an idiotic thing to argue about, these people are complaining about little thing that probaly I didn't notice until they all started ranting on and on. They're plenty of other things to argue about.
Since this is probaly the last post, Tim took from "Marvel apologizes..."
We can't build a better America unless we put aside racial differences. People need to realize that, and some do but not all.
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I like the response, "sure, maybe the world is against you, maybe you do have to work twice as hard to get half the respect. What're you telling me? You're not up to the challenge?"
There are people disadvantaged by the conditions that they are raised in. Being born poor and white is probably as hard as being born poor and black. Access to money determines where you can go, and who you will know. Ultimately who-you-know determines how far ahead you can get.
As for Cap and politics, Cap is a patriot, although not in the "my country right or wrong" sense. Chesterton summed up such a view when he wrote, "the man who says 'my country, right or wrong' is like the man who says 'my mother, drunk or sober.'" Not all Democrats hate America, and not all Republicans love America (in the right way). Captain America isn't on your side; you're on his, or not.
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I'm sick of the whole racism crap. It works both ways. I feel any african americans are just as capable of making racist comments. If this country is going to keep beating the old racism rug they should open their eyes that it is a two way street or for that matter any time an ethnic background is undermined.Yes I am sorry for the fact that the euro americans enslaved the african americans, and sorry that they also put down the chinese immigrants. Well how about the often put down irish catholics, women, native american etc. We need to remember, this was a birthing nation where many mistakes were made just like a baby taking its first steps.So my words to all claiming to be Americans is get over it and move on collectively. If we fester this racism crap of abuse from the past in our minds how much unbiased work as a whole can be accomplished?
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Brian Hancock's CAPTAIN AMERICA ARCHIVES Podcast had the writer of the blog piece that Fox News picked on, Warner Todd Huston, on his show last week.
You can hear the show here...
http://bwhancock.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=584042
Brian will have long time comic fan Cory Strode on at a later date to discuss the other side of the political spectrum with #602.
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When I was a kid I always wondered why is it ok for a kid to get picked for being short or nerdy or skinny. Why isn't that racist in it's own way? No the short skinny nerdy type is on his own to fend for himself. There are no legions of lawyers to sue the schools in his defense. There are no specially created organizations. No outrage from Hollywood. No marches in the street. No new legislation. Nata. Just beatings in the hallways. Books flying out his hands. Teachers who look the other way.
There are only comic books, Rocky movies, and the hopes that working out in the gym everyday will gain him the respect he deserves.
Not that I was a skinny short nerdy kid or anything. 
When does Nerdism become a term? Don't be a nerdist. Maybe I'm onto something.
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It's actually not o.k. to pick on kids for being short an nerdy. There is actually an entire movement to try and stop bullying in schools.
Much like Racism, there are a lot stupid things that just got tolerated in the past. Fortunatly we're growing, slowly but surely beyond it.
Of course as soon as you do try to do something like that about bullying, a bunch of jerks start over reacting saying we're feminising boys,or even better that "boys will be boys" and we ought to let em figure out how hard the world is.
Fortunatly as I said, we're moving in the right direction, but like racism, it takes time to over come, but in time, the nerds will.
Actually, it's been argued that as wealth becomes consolidated in the nerd class, our society has started to embrace the nerd far more. This is why comic book movies have gone mainstream, why a guy playing the joker gets seriously considered for an oscar.
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Bullying exists as long as the bully knows that the rules ensure they can get away with it. They know that the good kids, the ones that obey the rules, are at a disadvantage because the rules tell them not to fight back.
Want to stop bullying? Just tell the kids that it's okay to fight in self defence. Tell them that you'll back them to the hilt as long as you can see that they didn't start it.
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My goodness.
Freman, I will say, that though I am not a child psychologist, I think your analysis of bullying and children is a little bit short sighted.
Firstly, bullying isn't always physical, and it's the non physical bullying that can often cause the most damaging.
Secondly, the whole idea that "allowing kids to fight back" doesn't necessarily fix the problem if the issue stems from a stronger kid bullying a weaker kid, infact it can exacerbate the situation.
That's the basic boys will be boys argument and it really is as much a part of the problem of bullying as anything.
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Look, bullying is much like other social disorders and will not be leaving, much of that is born from the home setting and teachers have no juristiction over parents and how they operate at home.
Anyhow this is way off topic and needs to be moved to another thread.
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Matches, psychology is described as the study of the id by the odd (or is that psychiatry, anyways) I trust psychologists of any stripe as far as I can drop kick them.
Being bigger doesn't mean you can't take a blood nose. Being bigger doesn't stop two or three kids from taking you down.
Girls tend to engage in the kind of psychological bullying you describe, boys haven't all been that emasculated, yet.
Oh and boys are boys. Teach them the values of respect, loyalty and self-reliance and they'll become good men.
The same principle applies in adulthood too, instead of trying to stop criminals carrying guns (an exercise in futility) encourage the law abiding to go armed. Level the playing field.
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Ok, interesting guys.
I think the first thing teachers can do is get stricter on bullies. Stop ignoring it.
One stupid thing teachers used to always do is punish both kids for fights without even trying to understand who started the thing. Thus sometimes a kid could get into trouble for being nothing more than a punching bag.
You know I'll be honest as an adult I can actually see times where the nerd can be at fault to some lesser degree by not picking up on negative signals they send to other kids. For instance a nerdy kid is self absorbed. Feels like the world is against him so he clams up. Acts mad at every jesture. He inadvertently creates enemies by acting angry and stand offish. Cant' take jokes ect.
Which came first the anger over the bullying or did he create the bullying. Could be a situation that sort of feeds itself.
I'm not taking a bully's side by any means, but I think teaching the kid that is getting bullied how to communicate with other people is one giant step with helping them get along with others later on in life.
Bottom line though you don't let a kid beat up another kid. Ever. I might be tempted to look away for a few seconds while a smaller kid finally gets the uppper hand on a bully but you know when I was a kid it was never one on one. I don't care how big the bully was he always always had buddies back him up.
Bullies are a cowardly lot, much like super villains.
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Tim, I got out of school a few years ago...those fights, no racism meant to be!
If Black kids got into a fight, you would half to get black teachers to stop it, if you had a white or Asian teacher they'd yell "This is racist!". Vise versa. It's annoying, stupid, dumb and just plain makes you want to say "Really?"
The kids would complain that other teacher are racists, or they call it; hating. The teachers would half to tell them that they're aren't.
It's all pointing fingers, the bully blaming the nerd, tlwhen the bully was the one that started all this. Then the parents come in...
Those bullies...low-life bastards that think they're so cool, until reality hits them. I hope it hits them hard. Pant sagging losers...
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| Posted: 03 Mar 2010 00:58 |
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Those bullies...low-life bastards that think they're so cool, until reality hits them. I hope it hits them hard. Pant sagging losers...
 You been bullied a lot in school Pole?
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| Posted: 04 Mar 2010 01:01 |
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I can't count how many times....
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