| Posted: 08 Feb 2010 03:14 |
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According to this, The Invaders will be in the Captain America movie. And there will be six of them, so including Cap, I'm think it will be Bucky, the Human Torch, Union Jack, Whizzer, and Namor.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/22433/1/CAPTAIN-AMERICA039S-INT ...
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| Posted: 08 Feb 2010 05:56 |
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I liked the comment from Chad or whatever about the various Invaders and his mock-classic heroes Awake Girl!
Ordinarily I'd guess the other 4 members of the Invaders would be Union Jack, Human Torch (Jim), Toro and Namor. But since Namor is owned by Fox and Johnston and co. seem nervous about the costumed hero, I'm wondering if we'll have more of a group of special skill guys without costumes for the most part.
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| Posted: 08 Feb 2010 06:28 |
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This sounds like a really bad idea! Cap + Invaders + Red Skull = WAY too many costumed heroes. The Wolverine movie sucked @$$ because of this ... oh my, this makes me nervous.
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| Posted: 08 Feb 2010 17:22 |
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I wonder...if they might be suggesting that the Invaders wind up as the Product of other paralell Operation Rebirths in various allied Countries.
I also wonder if Sgt. Nick Fury ( I await the fire bombing at the suggestion) might make a 1940's apperance.
It strikes me, if you make Nick an American soldier who went to Canada to join up, (as many african american and caucasian americans did, since the U.S. took it's sweet time getting there).
The Howelers were a multinational group, so I don't see much problem in putting that in there. You perhaps even get a less horrific way for the infinity formula being introduced rather than how it is in the ultimates.
I'd love to see Angelina Jolie as Spitfire. That might be awesome. I think it's likely that we'll see active heroes in the Invaders (since that cross promotes into the Comics) So Union Jack and Spitfire are logical choices.
The Human Torch is likely, especially if they specifically said that they own the rights to the original, and Fox only has rights to Johnny Storm. I can see them refering to him only as "The Torch" to avoid any legal issues. But given that you probably don't want too many duplicate power sets, you probably won't have the Torch and Toro. just one or the other. Bucky you can probably pull off with the more believable modern winter soldier version of the story (perhaps he's a young actor in the USO troup who follows Cap out, and likewise just wants to be a part of the war effort), but it's just a big jump to say two flaming people happened to show up in this war.
On the upside for all you originalists out there, you can bet if they keep the Torch, he will be as close to the original story as possible. Since any deviation might be claimed by Fox to be infringement on their Human Torch.
I don't think it will be too many heroes, I kind of see it as a thing where you really put Cap at the center of the Heroverse. Where Cap shows what a super hero is, he is the First Avenger, literally, and other countries seeing the advantage of having a costumed hero leading troupes in, likewise invest in the idea (This is why Union Jack is an all but lock on this).
In that way, you might get mid way in the film, after Cap (and hopefully bucky) are found out, are brought to London for what they think will be a calling onto the Carpet for their actions, only to find that they are being put in charge of a Team of Heroes (many of whom are much more powerful then they, but who all see in Cap something special that makes them follow him).
It has the potential to be a great epic, and I'm not hearing anythign to make me worry yet.
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| Posted: 08 Feb 2010 17:27 |
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Hmmm...I wonder if they might have a Captain Britain in the Group, as sort of a superman Analog, to Cap's Batman. Someone whose powers are a bit frieghtening but who in the end, still sees Cap as the leader, the way that people saw Eisenhower (who was always a desk general before his promotion)as a leader who was worth following.
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| Posted: 08 Feb 2010 19:36 |
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One More Thought, they might put The Black Panter (T'Chilla's Father) on the Invaders as well. That would be really cool, if noncanonical (though he does appear in the Marvels Project).
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| Posted: 08 Feb 2010 23:28 Last Edited By: Pole805 |
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NO! Last thing we need is OTHER heroes in Cap's ONLY movie that will hopefully be good, no to Invaders, just Cap and Bucky!   Why do they half to hog up Cap's film, F**k man!
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| Posted: 09 Feb 2010 20:44 |
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Invaders in the Cap movie, hopefully it'll be brief scene or as a cameo appearance, maybe an easter egg to have something to look for when watching the second or third time, like trying to find the Millennium Falcom in Revenge of the Sith movie.
The script already is burdened with the 'explaination of the costume' scene. Okay, just don't spend too long explaining it, go into the Action and Adventure.
Rooting for the Rocketeer meet Raiders of the lost Ark meet Saving Private Ryan storyline.
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| Posted: 10 Feb 2010 04:51 |
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No, Johnston said the Invaders will be in the whole second half of the film. Not an Easter egg.
I do think it is weird that they'd spend a part of the movie "explaining" the costume, then have a team of super-heroes that he rallies together.
As for the members, I think a pre-Black Panther Black Panther might be in for the sake of diversity. Toro may be the "torch," Union Jack and then Spitfire so they have a female hero. But I doubt any of them will have much in the way of costumes.
Oh, and I've yet to hear anything about the shield. I'd presume it would be in the movie, but since they're introducing him as a song and dance act, I doubt they'd give him an indestructible shield developed by Howard Stark. Perhaps that will happen once they recognize the value of a real Captain America.
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| Posted: 10 Feb 2010 16:12 |
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They say the first uniform is basicly the classic Kirby Design (which I took to mean triangular shield and shorter mask). I would think the shield sticks around (as I said before it's too good a toy not to sell) and we'll likely get the circular shield in the battle design (since it's more offensive).
I'm a litle shocked to see the Invaders, but I figure they wanted them there, because they wanted to establish that other Super Humans would follow this guy, that they would and should look up to him. Basicly, the Captain America film is set up in almost a seriel fashion where the end of Captain America is the begining of Avengers. So they probably figure they can do alot since in very short order the biggest fights will be in the next film.
In many ways, I would say that the Avengers films will wind up being very Cap Centric. You'll get Stark, and Probably the Hulk and certainly Thor in the film, but they will not do much to establish them (since you'll be expected to pick up the back issues, I mean movies to fill the gap.)
Any way, that's my guess...I think it will be cool.
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| Posted: 11 Feb 2010 05:40 |
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This is what I think. We're going to see quite a bit of Namor in this movie, more than the other Invaders, cause if any of one them is going to also appear in The Avengers film, its him. I would look for him to play a major role in this movie.
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Rooting for the Rocketeer meet Raiders of the lost Ark meet Saving Private Ryan storyline.
I am rooting for this too. Way back when, I think Quesada said "Raiders of the Lost Ark with lots of cool gadgets." I like the sound of that. Cap doesn't have powers, so I'd like to see him employ an army belt full of stuff like explosives, spy gear, hook lines, compasses and whatever else is plausible for WWII.
I guess I can live with a small group of non-invasive "Invaders" like Bucky, Captain Britain and maybe one other. But for the love of Marvel, NO NAMOR! A naked fish dude that hates humanity has no place in Cap comics, let alone a Cap movie that must win over general audiences as well as us yahoos.
Namor ... oye ve ...
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| Posted: 21 Feb 2010 10:51 |
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Put the Invaders in and you'll just open all sorts of questions, why is there a man in green swim trunk and a boy in black trunks, why is there a man in a red suit and can burst into fire? Why is there a girl in yellow and a red cape who can run fast? Union Jack might be interesting, a retired war vet from the Great war talking about the importance of symbols and heroism to rally the troops (Only one I see and feel will work).
I noticed something about movies, if it's a good movie, we tend to forgive some plotholes or problems (Eyes aren't the same color in that Titanic movie, 52 mistakes in Xmen2, etc), but when you have a bad movie, we bring up all sorts of plotholes and problems (Why're the bad guys blowing up in green smoke in Elektra? What's a 60something woman doing the same shlick she did in the first Basic Instinct?). Endless Love, overwrought performances, silly lines, ...Love story, tender loving caring romantic, ...
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| Posted: 21 Feb 2010 14:44 |
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I really don't see the complications with Nick Fury having to become a Canadian soldier. Simply get an actor who looks like the sergeant Fury from the 60's Marvel title ( remember he became popular enough to warrent a second title Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. quickly) and stick to his original story and character. Forget Sam Jackson. He's made one maybe two appearances as the character. Even in the first issue of Secret Warriors Nick used an image inducer to appear as a black man, go that route. Bond has had more than one actor portray him and the series has been very successful.
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| Posted: 21 Feb 2010 20:45 |
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There is no point to add fury unless he is Sam Jackson. Fury without the infinity formula just isn't going to be interesting enough of a character to put into the movie. And the image inducer would be seen as just the cheapest sort of cop out, and caving into all sorts of unsavory elements.
They went with the ultimates as the basis for these movies, that fury is african american, that's just what you have to deal with.
As to the invaders, I doubt they will be putting them in unless they can explain them neat and easily (as such you might not get Namor, since that requires the explaination of Atlantis as a nonmythical country).
exactly what will pass for the invaders is debatable, I am expecting to see mostly guys like union jack or red guardian as parralell super soldier programs, or perhaps, someone like the Whizzer whose powers are a little more believable (top speed is around 120 mph, not 99.9% of the speed of light) wiht the possible exception of the Human Torch who then takes on the superman/dr. manhattan mantle in the group as the one truly out there super hero. But that's just a guess.
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| Posted: 21 Feb 2010 22:27 |
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Hey Matches, I do hope your wrong. Maybe if they give us a peek at the Cap costume for the film it'll make it easier for me. I don't try to hide my dislike for all things Ultimates. What I'm getting at is that if the Cap costume and character are modeled after the Ultimates version I guess I'll pass on the film altogether. To me thats the same as giving Spiderman the 2099 costume instead of the classic one. I have to admit I'm right there with everyone else on dissing the stupid song and dance routine. Maybe that would be OK if it had appeared in the Ultimates.
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| Posted: 21 Feb 2010 23:47 |
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JBB, I'm with you on being against the Ultimates version since I grew up with the John Byrn/Roger Stern stories and such.
I do, however, understand that they will make some cinematic changes to the costume. I hope that they do incorporate the old Captain America cartoon theme for the USO gig. I think it sounds hokey and unbelievable, but Johnston may be holding out some key info that would explain it all to our satisfaction.
After all, they know how to tease out info to maximum effect on the internet. With what appears to be spoiler info, Johnston has created more speculation on Cap's film than would be otherwise.
I agree that the Invaders are not likely to be the same as in the comic book. If they have the Torch, he may be more like a mutant who can create and manipulate fire, not the same as Johnny Storm. I'm looking forward to Union Jack.
I just wish the would have done a Cap solo movie for the first, Let him appear in the Avengers for modern days, then do another WWII movie with the Invaders as a Cap sequel.
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SuperAmerica, I think your ideas are GREAT! I wish you were doing the movie. Just Cap & Bucky with a grittier feel than any of the past superhero movies.
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Perhaps in a parallel universe I'm a fabulous movie director/writer and I'm busy making the Captain America movie that will make all fans excited and happy.
Don't be too down, though. I think all those directors say things that get us fans a little nervous. Raimi even said how he was taking Spider-man away from the comics and making him more of his own story (which he did). But the spirit and feel, I thought, was very much like the comics. I actually enjoyed the natural web-shooters.
I suspect Johnston's cap will look more like what we want than what we don't. The powers that be might even be gauging what the response is by monitoring sites like this so they can tweak the script.
I think my old origin story is still on this site.
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I really wish people would stop worrying about the USO bit. It's not like this is going to be Captain America:the Musical. The Piece is going to be put in just to show the frustartion that Steve Rogers is feeling. It sounds hokey and silly, and it's supposed to. That frustration your feeling is the frustration that Steve Rogers will be Feeling, which is why he sneaks off to go take down sabatours, or to become a sabatour (in Germany) himself.
I am hearing now that Bucky is in the Story, which is great, (especailly since it opens up a place for the Winter Soldier).
Who knows what the Invaders will be, or how large they'll be in the film, they say the second half, but that doesn't mean the second half of the film is the invaders, just that for the second half of the film (when you get all the big explosions) Cap will be leading a team of Super Heroes, which sets him up to do so in the AVengers.
They are going to make changes, and that's good.
People seem to forget that Kryptonite, and flight both appeared in the Radio adaptaions of Superman before they wound up in the books. The other media adaptations always add their own stuff, sometimes they are lousy, and get discarded. Sometimes they are great and get integrated into the book itself.
We won't know till the film comes out which is which, but it's important to remember the film could stick exactly to the comic script, with the comic costume designs and still be awful as a film. The adaptation is just that, and attempt to take all the history, character, and design of seventy years of comic history and adapt it to a new medium that is two hours long. You aren't going to have to change somethings, and just changeing them doesn't make the film worse.
Afterall, if the Invaders or All Winners Squad weren't in the film, that too would be seperating from the Canon, so it's a lose lose (or win win) no matter how you look at it.
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