| Posted: 27 Jan 2010 22:26 Last Edited By: Matches |
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So here is this:
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Poniverse/news/?a=14181
Interesting to say the least.
It's a good design for a Realistic Cap Costume, so I wonder if it might be based on the conceptual drawings for the film.
The Helmet is of course uber marketable by the way. Though I hope they don't make Cap start wearing it in the book.
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| Posted: 27 Jan 2010 22:55 |
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NICE!!!
Love it, perfect costumes! I'm sold!
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| Posted: 28 Jan 2010 03:58 |
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Thats not a statue based on anything with the movie. That statue was released in Marvel:Previews. It`s a collectors item to go with the Cap:Reborn series, thus the crappy Bryan Hitch-style Cap. I`m glad its not what they`re using in the movie, I didn`t like it a bit, but to each his own. But nonetheless, trust me, thats just another Cap statue.
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| Posted: 28 Jan 2010 04:29 |
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I'm not too keen on the helmet, though they may do something like that and it looks better than the standard helmet with the A on it (I don't like when they try to imagine cap, or any hero, with a costume that looks like he pieced it together with things that were lying around.
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| Posted: 28 Jan 2010 05:59 Last Edited By: Stars and Stripes |
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I don't like the wings.
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| Posted: 29 Jan 2010 01:38 Last Edited By: Pole805 |
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*sigh*
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| Posted: 31 Jan 2010 00:48 |
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Hey did anyone notice in Reborn, Cap's A has a spray paint line in it, he never had that before, but it's something they seem to have added from the WWII throw back costumes.
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| Posted: 31 Jan 2010 05:27 |
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It gives it the dirty war helmet that says he spilled his guts for his country.
I've been thinking, they need to stick with the Joe Simon's Cap, it made Cap who he is right now.
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| Posted: 31 Jan 2010 08:44 |
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I must agree with Stars and Stripes,
the wings on the helmet are bad.
They look like paw prints.
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| Posted: 31 Jan 2010 14:45 |
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That statue actually comes with 2 removable heads. One with the helmet and one without.
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Just read a post of an interview in which more of the plot has been revealed. Evidently, Cap is going to be made into a USO propaganda tool for troop morale (because he's too valuable???) and that will explain the costume. Then, because he wants to fight, he goes AWOL and fights while covering up his costume (a reverse secret identity?). Then He uses the costume because it allows him to lead (seems to contradict the earlier uneasiness with the costume). Then he re-designs it with muted colors but similar design and adds armor.
This is what I've feared. DON'T TRY TO EXPLAIN THE COSTUMES! We know going in that this is a comic character. We know he's going to wear a funny costume. We don't need an explanation in the comics, we don't need one now.
Joe did apparently state that the design will be like more recent Cap costume designs, which might be okay--but I'm not getting the whole stomach stripes being straps and not red and white (???)
I hope they get some serious push-back on this and make the costume very faithful. It's Captain America! We want to see Captain America.
It would have been like taking Iron Man and reducing him to a man with gadgets.
I hope they don't botch this.
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I don't think it's as bad as all that.
Cap was a propaganda tool, and I do think you need to explain the costume in that context.
I like the idea of cap discovering the value of the costume.
You have to explain the costume, and Cap at least has an easy explaination (propaganda). You can see the value of keeping him out of acttion (at least at first) the last thing you want is you supersoldier, shot or captured and used as propaganda for the enemy.
I myself am going to withhold my judgement until the film gets made.
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| Posted: 07 Feb 2010 21:11 |
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I like your optimism, Matches. I just think it is a death toll to start trying to "explain" a superhero costume. There is no real explanation that will make sense in the real world. In the comics world it makes perfect sense and doesn't need an explanation.
What I'm concerned about, too, is that if they feel the Captain America costume needs an explanation, what about the Red Skull?
Perhaps they'll use "Captain America" to counter the Red Skull, not realizing the Skull is a very real threat (not just propaganda) and Steve figures that out and becomes a real hero rather than just a propaganda tool. That would work.
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Well yeah, actually they do explain the costumes in pretty much all the films. Batman - Criminals are a cowardly and superstious sort. Spiderman - is trying to conceal his identity. The FF uniforms are just their space suits (very practical), and Ironman...well he's the iron man, his costume is his power.
Cap's costume was created as a propaganda tool I don't think there is anything out of continuity with that.
And I think the best part is, (as I said elsewhere) everyone will get the costume they want. His first uniform will likely be the classic Red White and Blue with gauntlets and buchaneer boots and gloreous wings atop his head. This is what we can call the Captain America Dress Uniform. His later more muted costume is for field work, and is more in line with the ultimates battle uniform we've seen.
You wouldn't expect a marine to crawl through the mud in his dress blues now would you? So why should Cap?
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| Posted: 08 Feb 2010 06:00 |
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What I wonder is how will they tie in the shield? Cap isn't cap without the shield. He has to have it to throw and stuff like that. Why would they give him an indestructible shield to be a side-show act? Unless they give him the less durable original shield and he gets the round one after proving what value he is as a fighting Captain America.
We'll see.
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I think Johnston can make this approach work, I have faith:
Johnston Talks Captain America Costume
Source:Los Angeles Times February 7, 2010
On Saturday, we got a chance to talk to The First Avenger: Captain America director Joe Johnston about the anticipated film and the Los Angeles Times got some more costume, story and casting details from the helmer (Spoilers ahead!).
"The costume is a flag, but the way we're getting around that is we have Steve Rogers forced into the USO circuit," Johnston said. "After he's made into this super-soldier, they decide they can't send him into combat and risk him getting killed. He's the only one and they can't make more. So they say, 'You're going to be in this USO show' and they give him a flag suit. He can't wait to get out of it."
He added that "When he does go AWOL, he covers up the suit but then, after a few things happen, he realizes that this uniform allows him to lead. By then, he's become a star in the public mind and a symbol. The guys get behind him because he embodies something special."
Which leads to a new costume: "In the first USO sequences, the frustrated patriot will be wearing a version that is closer to the classic Jack Kirby-designed costume, but then later as the super-soldier hits the war zone he will be wearing a sturdier, more muted version that he makes himself that is more like battle togs. The stripes across his mid-section, for instance, will be straps, not colored fabric."
You can read more of what he said about the costumes and how many actors they are looking at by going here.
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| Posted: 08 Feb 2010 13:50 |
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Here's the address for the article Cap Writer somehow missed. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/02/captain-ameri ...
After reading it myself It gave me the shudders of OH NO they are going to turn this into a mediocre movie. Why do so many writers feel the original storylines need to be messed with? Is it an ego thing or is it that they just don't have a clue as to what made these characters so popular in the first place? I'm surprised with Joe Johnston on this as his Rocketeer was very faithful to the comic.
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| Posted: 08 Feb 2010 17:02 |
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As to why writers need to "rewrite" the story, it's largely becasue a hundred other writers already have.
The original Kirby Simon books are slightly differnt in tone, and presentation than the latter Kirby Lee Books.
I think the USO angle might have been approached before, and really, this actually gives you a rational explaination for what people have wanted, that Is Cap leading the Charge at D-Day.
Really, Cap is best used as a covert, special forces kind of Hero. To have him leading people in battle is kind of against his best use as a soldier. He should be the guy sneaking alone into the Eagles Nest and giving Hitler a shave, not a guy running into oncoming machine gun fire.
But that Heroic image is what we have of cap, and what we want of Cap, and this gives you a really logical path for that.
My only question is if they are going to have someone playing Bob Hope and Betty Grable?
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Matches I agree about the covert operative angle and I wouldn't mind them even usind a dark midnight blue for most of the costume. I remember when I picked up the first Ultimates comic with Cap and the design they gave his WWII look just struck me as "lets all pretend this is Captain America". In real life yes it would be more practical but as others have stated this is a comic book character. I'm just worried this movie could wind up as campy as the 1966 Batman Movie and I don't want to wait 40 years for Cap to be a cult classic. Before I forget, here''s the address to another JJ interview from Newsarama.
http://www.newsarama.com/film/captain-america-joe-johnston-100208.html
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These Kotos have not been confirmed as the movie costume versions, have they? Even though I like them and wouldn't mind if they turned out to be the movie version.....I am afraid that I think the Cap costume will end end up this close to the classic we all know and love. Hope I am wrong.
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| Posted: 13 Feb 2010 02:16 |
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1 more week 'til they pick the guy, and make an official costume...
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| Posted: 13 Feb 2010 02:39 |
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"Covert"??? Captain America is not a covert agent. Nick Fury does all that. Captain America charges into battle. Almost every cover of Captain America books (In the 60s and 70s) have him charging into gunfires and gunnests and badguys. This is Captain America that I at 2 years old made him the best superhero out there.
Anyway, Cap does dabble in covert mission here and there. USO, probably look like that Jack Kirby's Bicentennial Battles book where all the chorus girls dance around him and Cap just stands there.
Anyone know of that stuntman, the Human Fly??? Back in the late 70s, some guy put on a costume to promote something good for children. Marvel published a few books on this guy.
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