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I just copied and pasted what was said:
It's not going to be a Captain America that you expect. It's something different. It is influenced by the comic book, but it goes off in a completely different direction. It's the origin story of Captain America. It's mostly period—there are modern, present-day bookends on it—but it's basically the story of how Steve Rogers becomes Captain America. The great thing about Captain America is he's a super hero without any super powers. Which is why this story, among the hundreds of super hero stories, appealed to me the most. He can't fly, he can't see through walls, he can't do any of that stuff. He's an every man who's been given this amazing gift of transformation into the perfect specimen—the pinnacle of human perfection. How does that affect him? What does that mean for him emotionally and psychologically? He was this 98-pound weakling, he was this wimp, and he's transformed instantly into this Adonis. You'd think he got everything he wanted. Well, he didn't get everything he wanted. The rules change at that point and his life gets even more complicated and dire. For me, that's the interesting part of the story. It's got some great action sequences in it and some incredible stuff that we've never seen before. But at the heart of it, it's a story about this kid who all he wants to do is fit in. This thing happens and he still doesn't fit in. And he has to prove himself a hero—essentially go AWOL to save a friend...
All I can say is uh-oh......blah blah blah what it takes to be a hero blah blah blah been done before therapy lesson....get ready for a mediocre movie IMO.
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| Posted: 14 Jan 2010 18:02 Last Edited By: Kirby4EVER |
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The statement "It's not going to be a Captain America that you expect" makes my stomach lurch. 9 out of 10 times that equates to suckage. Why does Hollywood have to screw this up? It's already there... just take the best parts and turn it into live action. I'm not racist and I love Wil Smith, but I don't want a black Cap. I want a blue-eyed and blond Steve Rogers running over Nazis on a green military issue Harley. I'm not a negative person and have been soooo excited to have my FAVORITE of all characters finally put on film in a big way and my instincts have just been screaming NOOOOO! this whole time. God, I pray I'm wrong.
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| Posted: 14 Jan 2010 19:11 |
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He was this 98-pound weakling, he was this wimp, and he's transformed instantly into this Adonis.
I always thought the Super Soldier serum built his body to the 'pinacle' of human developement so that he can FIGHT FOR HIS COUNTRY. Gruenwald, in one of his letter page essays, mentioned that the serum 'compensated' Rogers for what he lacked. Steve Rogers didn't want to be a superhero, he wanted to fight for America (And being a Soldier is what he thought was the way to go), then becoming the ONLY recipitant of the serum, Rogers became Captain America to boost morale, uplift American spirit, smash some Nazi spy rings and counter the terrorism of the Red Skull with a strong Patriotic defender. 'Proving himself a hero' just sound like an ego trip or some arrogant attitude.
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| Posted: 14 Jan 2010 19:50 |
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"It is influenced by the comic book, but it goes off in a completely different direction."
I do not like the sound of that at all.
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| Posted: 14 Jan 2010 21:03 |
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I didn't have any problem with the 'different' direction that Tim Burton's 1989 Batman took, when I saw it. The movie was done well (bar that silly music video in an art gallery) and key elements from the comics still stayed. Likewise, the first two Superman movies were slightly different from the comics, and even introduced new entities to the comic universe. They're still good films to watch. If they can make the Cap movie like these, it shouldn't be too bad, but these days, Hollywood don't wish to conform to the comic universe completely, as can be seen in most superhero movies made...well...anytime.
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| Posted: 14 Jan 2010 21:05 |
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Here's the link to the article.
http://boxoffice.com/featured_stories/2010/01/exclusive-captain-a ...
I am worried about this movie now for the first time.
Hope for the best though.
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| Posted: 14 Jan 2010 21:07 |
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Heaven help us! After all this waiting and anticipation, somebody at Marvel better grab Johnston by the back of the neck and shake some sense into him. If he screws this movie up with some half-ass, off the wall personal interpretation it will kill all the momentum that is leading up to the Avengers movie.
Just make it a WW2 story with the origin as it was written back in 1941 and take it through the war years taking it right up to being frozen in ice. There would be plenty of time during the war story line to mix in some interesting sub-plots. Bucky must also be part of this.
And one other thing: Original costume with the wings! No ultimate uniform or that nonsense. Cap is an iconic character from the 40's and all generations can relate to his original costume.
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| Posted: 15 Jan 2010 00:04 |
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Fingers crossed.
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I always thought the Super Soldier serum built his body to the 'pinacle' of human developement so that he can FIGHT FOR HIS COUNTRY. Gruenwald, in one of his letter page essays, mentioned that the serum 'compensated' Rogers for what he lacked. Steve Rogers didn't want to be a superhero, he wanted to fight for America (And being a Soldier is what he thought was the way to go), then becoming the ONLY recipitant of the serum, Rogers became Captain America to boost morale, uplift American spirit, smash some Nazi spy rings and counter the terrorism of the Red Skull with a strong Patriotic defender. 'Proving himself a hero' just sound like an ego trip or some arrogant attitude.
Hear hear.
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| Posted: 15 Jan 2010 02:54 |
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Yep, You gusy are right, this does not sound good, another, I know what's best for you, I can make him better blah, blah, blah. I do not get a good feeling at all.
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| Posted: 15 Jan 2010 03:04 |
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I think he's just giving a line to attract non-comics fans. Too much rides on Cap being very faithful to the comic. It will be. I think he just means that this will be very different from the silly aspects of the comic.
I'm not worried.
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| Posted: 15 Jan 2010 03:29 |
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SuperAmerica, I love your optimism and I hope your right.
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| Posted: 15 Jan 2010 06:09 |
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I'll be worried if they make Will Smith the lead (though I'm a HUGE Will Smith fan)or if they announce no shield and change the costume completely.
All of those seem to be extremely remote. Although, Avi Arad mentioned that the "shield is really symbolic" at one point, suggesting they might not have it in the movie (another case of stupid things they say off the cuff to generate buzz).
I see The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man as very faithful to the comics, while being rather big departures in their own ways, too.
If I were to venture a guess, Cap will be stifled by what the military wants (thus making the U.S. Gov't/military sort of the bad guys to make it marketable overseas) and then makes the choice to do what he knows needs being done and thus becomes the hero.
I think the comment about saving his friend refers to Bucky and how Bucky gets killed. But I could be wrong.
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| Posted: 15 Jan 2010 06:50 Last Edited By: ServeAndProtect |
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I totally agree that he is just trying to lure in non-comic fans. Considering Iron Man and Hulk I think this will also stay true. I think some outsiders see Cap as a bit hokey (as stated in Jimmy Buffett's song "Captain America") because of the flag outfit and being such a do-gooder. This is just his way of telling people that they will still like the movie even if they are not Cap-Crazy, like us.
He mentions that Cap will go AWOL to save a friend. Maybe that is where he will differentiate things, by having Cap disobey orders or go off on his own to save Bucky or something. That could have a positive spin on it. I am keeping my hopes up that this will still be a great movie.
Speaking of being Cap-Crazy... If you have never heard the song by Jimmy Buffett, it is a must have. I love it. Also, "Captain America" by Styx is really good too. Check 'em out.
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| Posted: 15 Jan 2010 08:26 |
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ServeAndProtect makes a good point about hokey cap ... but then all comic characters look hokey ... you just have to execute right ... almost all of them get a remake, except maybe superman and spidey--they seem to remain closest to the original.
Hard to say how "different" the direction should be. I know a lot of you want cap to be in WWII, but I wish the movie would start there, show him lost in action, and end in the modern era. I'd love to see him transformed from soldier, to super-agent (when Shield gets ahold of him) to the bad-ass fighting machine he becomes in the modern comics, dealing with the likes of Zola, the Red Skull, terrorists ... heck, why not even homegrown terrorists, like madbomb story from 1976???
Just my thoughts .....
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Well it might be hard to tell what a movie is going to be like by a one paragraph description.
If they show Steve Rogers as an average kid who loves his country, they can also throw some stuff in there about him wanting to be a hero etc and get away with it. You have to assume a skinny kid growing up would want some muscles and might get picked on in school. That aspect is just never explored really.
Above all it has to feel right. What does a young kid in that time period think and feel. How did people think and act in general back then. What was it like back then. If they focus on that and don't turn it into some kind of politically correct revisionist history bs then the story should turn out ok, and yeah no Will Smith. He's had a lot of good stuff, but Cap isn't a black kid from Philadelphia who hangs out with Jazzy Jeff. Heck Smith isn't even a kid anymore. He can't play somebody Steve Rogers's age in WWII. He's lost that fun loving attitude he used to have as a kid too. I think he takes himself too seriously these days, but that's something else altogether.
They better keep the Cap origin the same that's for sure. I hate the way they missed out on the Gamma Bomb explosion on the Hulk for the gamma chair crap. That was ok for a TV show, but the bomb was meant for a big movie. Other than that I did like the last Hulk movie though. Cap movie has to stay epic the whole time even when it's showing us a young Steve by bringing us into another world that of the 1940's.
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I don't see anythign to panic about. The basic origin as described is there (98 lb weakling, turned into an adonis to fight for his country).
Like the Hulk and Iron Man modern audeiences tend to want a more thought out story about how and why a charcter is a super hero, so that is likely going to be a departure. It's unlikely that the formula gets lost so you may need to change the story a bit, making Cap more Unique so the formula only works on him, and making it much less likely that he's supposed to be the first of an army of super soldiers, but just the first attempts at the super soldier project (which eventually produces the Hulk and Abomination in the Marvel Studios Universe).
I think it's the burracracy (which Dell Rusk may have a hand in) that may be part of the villany in the film, and likely the big spoiler there about Cap going AWOL to save a friend is likely going to be Cap going after Bucky after he is captured (likely he will be told that like Mission impossible the U.S. Government will deny any knowledge of James Buchanan Barnes or Steve Rogers if either is captured). And so Cap has to make his own way, which likely winds up with his being frozen in the arctic.
all and all, just saying it's not what you expect, might just mean, it's not the red white and blue boy scout with perfect teeth saving the day, but a much more complex story of a great power and great responsibility and the conflicts of duty and honor. Honor commands he save bucky, duty commands he not go on a suicide mission to save his friend.
My biggest hope is that Agent 13 gets in this film (maybe she is who Cap is trying to save if they write out Bucky).
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| Posted: 15 Jan 2010 17:27 |
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Also don't worry about the Shield. that's something that can be sold, they will put it in the film. They want every kid to pay the extra 19.95 for the delux cap costume with shield, and not the basic. If you leave the shield out of the film, you don't get the upgrade in toy sales.
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| Posted: 15 Jan 2010 18:03 |
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I, like many here, are concerned that this film will not do our favorite character justice. But guys, give the director a chance. He gave us a paragraph in the middle of a bunch of stuff. Don't read too much into it. He at least has a grasp of who Cap started out as, and given that the Spidey movies have been as much about Parker as the guy in the suit, he will probably try to sell the man before the costume.
The recent Marvel movies (with the exception of the XMen and FF) have been pretty close to the origins of the characters/comics. But they are capturing the essense of the characters without huge changes (yeah chair vs bomb-it's not the cold war anymore, spider enhancement vs web-shooters - kind of an irritating change)
Just so long as Johnston understands if he doesn't execute, we likely will : )
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We all want an 'Introduction' movie -- introduce Cap, big adventure, cool stuff happening, etc. And that's the way to go. Xmen, Spiderman, Superman, all introduced the hero, created the universe, made us love the characters, the adventures, the action, the dynamic, the story, etc. #2 movie, they destroyed that, ...soldiers attacking the Xmen mansion, Parker looking for money, screwing up every job he had, Superman giving up his powers then discovering he's needed when Zod and his people showed up, Batman begins started the vigilante system, then Dark Knight destroyed that system.
I'm afraid that to sell Cap, the powers-that-be will want to make Cap complex, with complicated motives, ideas, feelings, etc, to make us care for him. Or use a well-known celebrity with lots of charm and wit. I never saw Cap like that, just someone seeing a problem and solving it.
As for the costume, the classic would work well when Cap is in a parade, buy bonds rallies, paper drives or speaking at the boy scout league. That Cap Reborn storming the beach with utility belts and stuff would be for the war scenes. Back to the classic for a confrontation with the Skull. Some changes of costumes can help.
Got to have Cap on a motorcycle. Check out the latest Marvel Project, Cap on a cycle attacking a Nazi spy group. That would be cool on screen.
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| Posted: 16 Jan 2010 04:01 |
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GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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YOU GUYS HAVE TO READ THIS, ALL THESES GUYS WANT TO BE CAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/the-first-avenger-captain-america/
You're going to half to go down the page a little...
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| Posted: 16 Jan 2010 06:50 |
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A graphic I made for another comic site where I'm running a poll....
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| Posted: 16 Jan 2010 10:20 |
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Pretty cool Atomic!
I see you got Obama in there as well, LOL!
Hey you know who are are missing....the Cap message boards own...Wade Harlan!
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| Posted: 16 Jan 2010 13:53 |
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Well I think as mentioned earlier, we can almost rule out Will Smith as he's much too old for Cap and Wade Harlan also mentioned as going up beside someone of Robert Downey Jr. and Edward Norton's screen presences. Also I 'd say it rules out our current president especially with the way he's always apologizing for our great country. I still say Wade Harlan could be great in the role of Sgt. Duffy or dare I say it .... Nick Fury!
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Sorry to be writing back right on top of my own message. Now on Joe Johnston, I'm not too worried as he did do a faithful ( costume, story etc. )adaptation on the Rocketeer.I do hope he is as true to the historical Captain America.
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| Posted: 16 Jan 2010 16:56 Last Edited By: Pole805 |
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I'm sorry, but am I the only one wants Leo Dicaprio or Will Smith to play Cap?
Or Wade Harlon...
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| Posted: 16 Jan 2010 19:44 |
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I'm sorry, but am I the only one wants Leo Dicaprio or Will Smith to play Cap?
I think so, Pole.
I'm still rooting for Ryan McPartlin (Captain Awesome from Chuck).
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| Posted: 16 Jan 2010 23:40 |
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Oh...well...I have no reasons why I like to guys to play Cap...sooooo...no arguements there. But still..
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| Posted: 17 Jan 2010 00:13 |
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I think a minimum requirement of the man playing Cap is that he knows how to use a razor.
Honestly the modern attempts to make a man look "rugged" by giving him two days growth.
Poor personal grooming does not make you rugged folks.
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| Posted: 17 Jan 2010 02:21 |
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Just read that Keifer Sutherland was given the role of Steve Rogers!
JK! the razor issue would get him, too.
I saw something about some guy that was in a Universal Soldier movie that went in for an audition for Cap. Saw his picture and aside from the dark hair, he'd be perfect. Can he act? I guess that would be what the audition was for.
But it seems they are sticking with the white cap. I don't think they'd mess with the character's race or mess with the costume that much. It will be a faithful rendition. But, as I've said before, they will make a lot of hay out of "departing from the comics" in order to get attention and create buzz on the internet and boost searches on Captain America.
My guess from Joe's comments--the movie starts with him being found in the arctic and then flashing back. Then it will end with him surrounded by the Avengers who are facing some crisis or other. That way it shows his origin, is a period piece, and sets up the Avengers.
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