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I watched it up to the part where Cap is frozen in ice. Some decent moments to it for a C-movie. One glaring problem is trying to have him fight in WWII, get frozen and come to the present in one film. If they learn anything for the new movie, he has to spend one full film in WWII. Personally I would have opted for 2 movies in WWII in order to firmly ground him in legend status.
The first movie could be his origin, giving time to develop Steve Rogers' character as a frail boy helping his mom as her health fails and she dies amid the Great Depression, then have him take the chance on Project Rebirth, the military gives up on the program when Dr. Erskine dies, only to see Rogers take maters into his own hands as a vigilante. Then Captain America is born, trained, and the movie climaxes with him defeating a major plot from the Red Skull. The movie could end with him in London and a hint at Farsworth (Union Jack).
Then the second movie could be the Invaders (maybe even the Baron Blood story). They could end that one with he and Bucky on the plane and him getting frozen.
Anyway, that would be my fanboy wish...but it doesn't look likely. __________________
Thanks for torturing us with this link Tim, LOL!!!
I kid...I kid...
Posted: 04 Jan 2010 20:28
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As Bill Murray said in 'Scrooged'----"Oh my gosh, does that suck..."
Posted: 05 Jan 2010 01:45 Last Edited By: Pole805
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Who wants to watch this? I've seen it...you can see a boom-operator's mic at one point...I honestly think they could've done better...
Get's frozen is alaska? Red Skull's Italian? Captain America is in WWII for like 10 minutes? Steve Rogers is wealthy? Come on...know your comic book history...
Posted: 05 Jan 2010 03:17
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What's funny is they do some things EXACTLY like the comic, with the woman holding the gun before the men go down to the secret lab and asks for the password. They also have the Nazi agent get hit by Steve and then electrocute himself on machines.
But Cap comes out like a clueless nut who has no training. He gets shot up and then they need him for a special mission in the next 48 hours...with no time for training.
Then Steve says, "There's something nobody has talked about...my unit." Well, seeing as how he just went to the experiment two minutes ago and then hopped on a plane for a secret mission, who had the time?
It is amazing that the script got passed even a casual reader. As cheap as the movie was, someone spent some money on this thing. And the crew should have known, too.
At the time, I remember Cap appearing in a photo spread in one of the Movie magazines. Crazy. __________________
I grew tired of the relentless chase scenes, as SuperAmerica mentioned - the total lack of training, and the Red Skull's army running around in designer fashions. I wonder if the Red Skull was German if it would've been more acceptable...probably not.
Posted: 05 Jan 2010 05:17
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Well, remember that 1994 Fantastic Four movie? It was horrible too, but Stan Lee said they only made it to keep the movie rights. Maybe that's what happened with this CAP movie?
And if they didn't, they better say they did. At least that way they'll have an excuse for how it turned out.
Posted: 05 Jan 2010 21:13
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Marvel was also at fault back in the 80s. They were getting moolah of money from movie studios selling film rights. Canon, who made money from those 80s Ninja movies (American Ninja, Ninja 1, 2, etc), bought Spidey and Cap, and then funded Superman4, Quest for Peace, which tanked in the box office. Canon lost money, couldn't fund the Spidey movie, became 21st, Albert Pyon made that Cap movie, which distributors saw and wouldn't release it to theatres. In the 90s, Marvel bought back their film rights after seeing the Dolph Lundren/Punisher and Cap movies, ...but the owner of the FF movie rights wouldn't sell and went to the Roger Cormen movie studios to make the FF movie, which Marvel paid him NOT to release it, and I have seen it and it is really awful. Because 21st had Spidey, they caused problems for James Cameron to make a Spidey movie, and by the time it was settled, Cameron was off doing something else.
Marvel learnt their lesson, yet Image didn't, Youngblood was opted for a cartoon which drove Liefield to court over it contents and how the company mangled his characters. Spawn, Maxx and the Savage Dragon had cartoons, which became forgettable. Anyone still remember that Spawn movie?
And after Batman and Robin (Shumacker/Clooney/ODonnel or Batman4), finally the powers-that-be are treating this media with some intelligence and respect.
Posted: 06 Jan 2010 02:23
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Wow, I didn't know all that. That's pretty interesting. Sad for those involved who turned out horrible movies, but interesting.
I remember the Savage Dragon series, didn't see it, but I remember there was one. Didn't know about the Maxx cartoon, and of course knew about the Spawn cartoon and movie. Saw the movie, not the HBO cartoon. Heard it was good, but don't think that came from actual comic fans.
With a debacle like that in their past, I would hope Marvel learned there lesson. Of course history has repeat itself in a way, maybe not as distructive, but look at the Spidey, Fantastic Four, and Punisher movies now? The rights to those have been pawned all over Hollywood and now that movies like Spiderman have made a lot of money, who knows if Marvel will ever get them back.
Posted: 06 Jan 2010 08:28
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I've said it before but Cap should be fighting Fascists, not Italian Fashionistas!!
Cracks me up though. I think they all just wanted a vacation shoot in Italy.
Posted: 07 Jan 2010 00:07
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I too hate how they mangled the material to suit their spending allowance. Raiders of the Lost Ark and Temple of Doom mixed with war action, should've been the template of the 90s Cap movie. I read about the Maxx and Savage Dragon cartoons, saw bits of those shows here and there. I bought 2 videoes of the Spawn cartoons just to see what its about, they weren't bad, but not worth 20 bucks each I spent.
Back to that Superman4, Quest for peace, I read somewhere that John Bryne (At that time, he was revitalizing the Super comics) was linked to the script for that movie, he said something like, paid oodles of money to write that movie, then saw the rewrites and had to pay them NOT to put his name on the movie. Harlen Ellison, sci-fi writer, got upset over the rewrites of his Star Trek episode, City on the Edge of forever, script. In the 90s, Roy Thomas penned a script for Xena (That Trojan horse episode), he said that you have to 'squint' to recognize his story for that show. Only a couple of lines from Joss Wheadon rewrites popped up in the 2000 Xmen movie (I think one of them was the Storm line when she zapped the Toad).
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Alan Smithee is alive and well.
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Personally, I'd love to have Roger Stern, if he's still alive, do a write-up on the current Cap film. He and John Byrn did the BEST cap comics. Roger went on to pen some amazing stories for the Avengers. He just has a sense of story and character that fit well with the superheroes. __________________
Quote: Personally, I'd love to have Roger Stern, if he's still alive...
Yes Stern is still around (late 50's).
I also really enjoyed his writing on Cap.
Also loved his stories in Avengers & The Amazing Spider-Man. I think he created the Hobgoblin in the 80's as well.
