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A friend's daughter is interested to see Twilight, New Moon, ...another person mentioned theatres are sold out, ...and Twilight made over 140 mill over the Thanksgiving weekend.
Are not Vampires overdone? Overused? And practically everyone knows the Vampire shlick, ...now it's 2 Vampire-as-boyfriends tv show, 2-3 Vampire related movies (This year) and an upcoming movie where the Vamps take over the world movie, ...because Twilight made Vamps hip and sexy for the tweens, ...brooding youthful males with dark desires and wicked past appealing to the girls' desires for forbidden and taboo love.
Captain America does appear stoic, stiff, representing traditional or your-grandfathers' taste, a teacher, lecturer and Superman-like ideals and inspiration. Plus, with knowledge comes a lot of cynicism and criticism of Patriotism and American's role in the world, and does appear old and outdated.
So, what'll you think will make Cap hip and sexy in the upcoming Cap movie??? My suggestions:
1) A sexy lead, a youthful handsome actor that'll look sexy when that serum buffs up his abs, chest and delts. CGI was used to make Steward and McKellan young-looking in X3, so CGI can make the actor look skinny and weak before the serum, ...
2) A sexy Nazi-resistence fighter, Agent 13, ... Inglorious Basterds had a very pretty blond woman, someone like that who is inspired to fight the Ratzis due to Cap's influence.
3) Jazz up 1940 New York city, or the battlefields in Europe, ...King Kong may be a looong movie, but the sceneries and city backdrops looked great.
4) Make the Red Skull scary. He is a terrorist, and terrorist does terrorize, frighten, and a little scare might help and add to that power and might of evil, ...underdog feel for Cap.
5) Mentioned before, great action and war scenes. I still get a thrill from that truck scene in Raiders and Private Ryan opening scene.
6) To make Cap hip, Action action and action. Make him move, dynamic, exciting, ...
Yeah, it seems to be like ranting, but I wanted some distraction while waiting for the next issue of Rebirth. Been collecting for decades and I'm still get restless for these serialized periodics.
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| Posted: 28 Nov 2009 03:15 |
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Captain America does appear stoic, stiff, representing traditional or your-grandfathers' taste, a teacher, lecturer and Superman-like ideals and inspiration. Plus, with knowledge comes a lot of cynicism and criticism of Patriotism and American's role in the world, and does appear old and outdated.
Captain America represents Americanism in dreaming for the best that we all could have or at least strive for. This along with idealism gives us the chance to live up to our potential. Thinking that with knowledge MUST come cynicism and criticism, meaning America Bad country and if we just would stop leaving our shores the world would be okay. We leave our shores to try and help, sometimes we fail, but I believe we should try and help other. I believe that is what Cap is saying, “I try to be a good person, and I will try and help others” I live in a great and wealthy country, let us try and help others.
Cap can be handled like the Band of Brother series. Well made, realistic, and with all the human failing. Cap is drawn into a world fight, as the US is drawn together to fight a great cause (WWII). With Cap in the lead, we show, most of the time that we are a great country, and that we strive to help others. We fail sometimes but IN MOST CASES we succeed in helping others that need assistance to fight Nazi's, socialism, communism, terrorism etc
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| Posted: 28 Nov 2009 04:52 |
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Works for me, Vincent. Just like they did with the new STAR TREK.
I will point out that this Twilight/Vampire thing seems more geared for a young female audience and that just simply may not be the audience for a Cap movie (maybe their boyfriends). While a young sexy lead and humor will help cross gender lines.
One of the reasons that Disney bought Marvel is because while Disney would do great in the young female demo, the young male market wasn't there for them. But Marvel is. Hence Disney acquiring Marvel.
So the young male audience should be their core audience for a Cap movie but adding elements of humor, a young lead, intense battle scenes, etc. might help it cross over to other demographics.
I'll add, I thought Chris Pine did a great job as a young Captain Kirk. Likable. Funny. And I'm sure the ladies liked him too. Wouldn't he be a good pick for the lead in the Cap movie?
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| Posted: 28 Nov 2009 05:38 |
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well, post teen angst has made Clark cool on Smallville ... standing up for what's right isn't enough if you aren't brooding all the time.
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| Posted: 28 Nov 2009 11:26 |
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What will help more than anything is if they show Cap really passionate about the war and the cause - plus making the cause something modern Americans can buy into. Show a lot of Holocaust strife or American soldiers being beaten back, where only Cap is the solution, creating a hero scenario where Cap is not only right, but necessary for freedom.
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| Posted: 28 Nov 2009 18:44 |
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Bring in the girls, the boys will follow. Those 2 actors playing Clark and Lex added a lot of sex appeal to the Superman story. Now it's Erica Durance that's keeping me watching Smallville. Like Twilight, there's a social message (What's happening with Clark, Why are they feeling that way, Who are they dating). It got people talking. That young girl I mentioned said that she wasn't impressed with the first movie, but showed interest in New Moon, sounds like she was 'coerced' or talked into liking the Twilight series.
I don't know about the Band of Brothers theme. It and Private Ryan looked like an update or reinvention of those war movies I watched as a kid, Dirty Dozen, Eagles dare, Battle of the Bulge, etc. Iglorious was more 'talky' than blowing up. Yeah, I harped that a war theme would make Cap different from the other superhero movies, it might make Cap look uninteresting to young people. It might be appealing if those were young people going to war, discovering their potential, finding their way, losing their fear of growing up, etc. War movies tend to look like old people barking orders.
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| Posted: 28 Nov 2009 21:57 |
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Captain America is a morality play. He embodies the perfection of the Aryan superman, but his character is the complete opposite of Nietzsche's superman.
He is kind, loyal, unselfish, self-sacrificing. He's a good bloke.
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| Posted: 28 Nov 2009 22:16 |
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Saw Twilight Saturday. It was ok. Thought the wolves were kind too cgi looking, but my wife that they were cool. That vampire Edward looks like James Dean came back to life without his blood. No skin color.
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I think Cap could be made "hip" if they focus on his "coming of age" aspect. Similar to Kirk in the new Star Trek, they could show how Steve is frail, has a sense of morality, but no balance or discipline. He might be extremely bright and talented, but he starts off rough. He's emboldened by an early success, but then gets beaten (or nearly beaten) in a conflict. He heads off to war only to realize there is a larger conflict than he could ever imagine where people are hurting more than he had thought. Perhaps he forms an alliance with a group of resistance fighters, some with special powers, and they turn to him to be their leader, which humbles him and he takes charge in a sober manner that will show how much he's grown. I think that sort of story would resonate with young people.
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| Posted: 29 Nov 2009 13:18 |
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That can work. I was thinking, "What happens after high school". Rogers joining the army, discovering his potential, finding a mentor, set for adulthood, etc. Coming of age tend to be 'high school', meeting new friends, finding new challenges, discovering love, etc, (Like American Pie and all those silly 80s sex comedies, Porky's). Twilight is like that, but in a scary way of storytelling.
Lindsay Lohen, Hilary Duff, tweens becoming rich, Sex in the city, girls talking dirty, after that, Desperate housewives, women scheming, now it's hot mamas or cougars, Marge Simpson in lingerine, Cougar town. Back to tweens with money, Miley Cyrus. That's the coming of age of women.
Us guys, get arrested developement after high school, Happy days, that 70s show, then we jump to working lives like Mash, Drew Carey, Seinfeld. How I met your mother, Friends, are like 'After high school'.
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| Posted: 29 Nov 2009 21:49 |
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I think Cap can break from the typical depiction of men and get back to showing a man the way we ought to be rather than the bumbling images that cater to feminists.
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You want to attract the Twilight Crowd it's simple:
"Zack Effron is, the Winter Soldier."
There you go teen broody and dark.
You could keep with the history and cast an 18 year old as Cap, but then you have to deal with all the fanboys saying "but cap in the comic books looks like a prowrestler, and I want it to look exactly like the comic book or I'm going to cry".
I personally think a younge, buff actor as Cap is all you need to really make this story great.
I mean, what is twilight except a man out time story? THat's Cap all over. So get a young guy, make him mature for his years in story. Buff him up, dump him in ice, and bring him out trying to make sense of the world he's now in and trying to find meaning.
You can even make the story all the more poignant by exploring the truth that Twilight never will. Cap can fall in love with Peggy in 1941, but when he awakens he's still in his early 20's at most and she's now a very old woman. Show that love enduring, and you've got the underpining love story, that makes for a blockbuster when combined with action and adventure.
Big effects, great acting, wild adventure and a moving human story, that's titanic level box office.
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The movie Forever Young with Mel Gibson was sort of that story of a man out of time. I often wonder if a Cap fan wrote that story. Good movie, too.
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