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Posted this in the Politics section although, I'm very certain Captain America wouldn't stand for this.
What do you think? H1N1 vaccine has mercury in it and they want to give 100 million Americans this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW8yARUA3CQ&NR=1
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Well, since massive death of innocents is option II, I think requireing vacinations to attend public school is a fair requirement.
After all, some of us would rather that our children not die due to your supersticious nonesense.
Likewise, the state isn't going to Force anyone to do anything. The state simply requires that if you want to mix with the general population, you take the time to protect yourself and others. If you don't want to take the basic precautions, you can go live in your unibomber shack unmolested by big brother. This is sort of like how the state requires you not to be drunk before getting behind the wheel of a car. The rest of the population would rather not have you driving the wrong way on the express way, and the rest of the population would rather that you not be the carrier infecting those too young or too sick to receive the vacine.
Anti-vacination people are just about the most selfish, ignorant, monsterous people out there. You don't give a damn that children could die because your precious little snowflake can't have modren medicine.
You ignore moutnains of scientific evidence in favor of annecdotal falderal and endanger the entire population as a result.
When people point out your selfishness, you respond with paranoia and accusation.
As far as Cap goes, who cares what a fictional character would say about a real crisis. No one is forcing anythign on you, we just would rather that if you insist on being a moron you go as far away from the rest of us as possible.
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| Posted: 29 Sep 2009 00:57 |
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So now we're name-calling? I understand what you're saying, Matches, but one can be just as blindly a follower of what the "system" says as someone who is a "paranoid moron".
As far as Cap goes, I don't think he'd stand for anything that was forced upon someone in a supposed free country. That being said - I don't think he'd stand for (if he was real) what most of us have to go through and sacrifice on a daily basis just to "survive". The dreams that we have to "put on hold" (indefinitely) to keep up with society's demands so we can keep the jerks in Washington fat and rich while the people they supposedly work for are struggling with things that shouldn't even be an issue in day-to-day life.
It won't be long until we're giving up freedoms left and right so get ready to join the paranoids and conspiracy loons when it effects you.
What endangers the population is their own self-imposed ignorance. People refuse to be responsible for their own actions so the system has to wipe their rears for them. STD's. Unwanted pregnancies. Drunken violence. And yes - your average day-to-day illnesses. You can look at it both ways. Is the system forcing things on us or are we just a bunch of irresponsible drama-mongering morons who won't pay attention to what we're doing long enough to prevent things that should be common sense to avoid?
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| Posted: 29 Sep 2009 01:10 |
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Furthermore, I've had family members in the past who damn near went into comas when they took these vaccines.
I myself haven't had a flu shot in years and haven't been sick in years either. Coincidence?
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| Posted: 29 Sep 2009 02:21 |
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Massive deaths of innocents?
I'll post an article that you may not read considering your lack of awareness to the H1N1 vaccine and your apparent disregard for saftey by injecting children with chemicals (H1N1 contains mercury!!! You think that is okay?) that the government (CDC, WHO) say are okay, even though they have not been fully tested or proven safe.
I'll post a link to the article but here is a quote from the site that I think you should read:
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...hundreds of thousands if not millions of people will serve as guinea pigs to test a vaccine that will probably not work. Both the pharmaceutical companies and health agencies still do not know how to make a vaccine that will safely fight the virus
H1N1 Flu Vaccine Will Contain Mercury without harming the public. It is estimated that some 12,000 children in the U.S. will be injected the mercury filled swine flu vaccine. Preparations are now being made to carry out forceful vaccination campaigns, to massively inoculate millions of people around the world. The plans to be implemented in the fall of 2009 seem to be way out of line since the swine flu has killed only 800 people around the world; a number considered small when compared with the regular flu, which kills 37,000 in the U.S alone.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2008884/h1n1_flu_vaccine ...
If you want to be a drone to whatever the media and government tell you is okay that is up to you. But I don't think making kids take a shot that has mercury in it (and you call me monsterous?) is something I'll just 'trust the government' on. Especially considering that the Swine Flu vaccine that was administered in the seventies did a lot more damage than good.
Go ahead and risk your health to a flu that has not shown itself to be anymore harmful than the regular flu by taking harmful chemicals. It's up to you.
As for me, are you getting racial on me by calling me snowflake? Not exactly something I'd expect from somebody who claims to not be ignorant. Also, I don't have kids, but because I care about others and am not the selfish person you accuse me of being I thought I'd give people the option to inform themselves of something that could be harmful to themselves and their loved ones.
You seem to have a thin skin. You could stand to rope in those hurt feelings of yours before you post on the internet whinning like that. You sure did get worked up over something that could potentially help others. Do you work in pharmacuticals or something? Or are you a mindless sheep doing whatever he or she is told?
I took my 'required' shots in the Military when I didn't have a choice of taking the Anthrax vaccine. I haven't seen any negative effects, and I hope I don't, but time will tell. Of course, being unselfish, I did have a choice to serve my country and give of myself so that others could question their government. I thought it would be worth taking the anthrax shot to do that.
I guess it's your right to be uniformed and not question what is being given to you or those you care about.
I tend to air on the side of caution, not superstition.
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Oh, as for CAP not being real and who cares what he thinks, CAP is the standard that 'Real' people can only hope to emmulate. If you don't think CAP is worth while in the 'real world' then why are you even on this site? This 'fake' character must have inspired you to give your time to post online topics out him in the first place.
It's called 'Art' and it's the effect that something 'imaginary' has on the 'real' life.
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| Posted: 29 Sep 2009 02:42 |
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Oh, as for CAP not being real and who cares what he thinks, CAP is the standard that 'Real' people can only hope to emmulate. If you don't think CAP is worth while in the 'real world' then why are you even on this site? This 'fake' character must have inspired you to give your time to post online topics out him in the first place.
It's called 'Art' and it's the effect that something 'imaginary' has on the 'real' life.
Very well said!
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Listen, the anti vacine folks are psudeo scientific morons. There is no other way to describe them. There is no study to support the panic these idiots feel. They just have half truths and superstitious nonesense to bolster their claims.
Aside from the fact that no one is forcing anyone to get any vacination, the fact that people will happily endanger themselves and others out of ignorance is just horrific.
Show me a single reputable scientific study to suggest these vacinations are dangerous, you can't. However the fact that H1N1 can infact be quite fatal to healthy adults is well established.
Some people thrive on ignorance, and conspiracy, they can't imagine that the nut shell of thier minds couldn't contain all the wisdom of the ages. Most of us however use reason to determine the risks we take.
The risks posed to ourselves and more importantly the young and the infirmed by things like H1N1 Measles, polio, etc. is simply to great to allow Jenny McCarthy to make our decisions for us.
I'll go with every reputable imunologist, scientist, and doctor out there, before I take the paranoid ramblings of idiots as my guide to determine what is best for myself and my family.
Most importantly, I know I can't not get these vacinations for my family, because idiots are out there who will think the government is trying to poison them or some other nonesense, and skip out on the vacaine, destroying herd immunity, and ensuring that people will get infected and people will die.
I'm very glad my youngest is now six months old and old enough to get vacinations since i know I can't trust other parents out there to take care of their children.
Those first months are the most frieghtening when you can't get your child vacinated and you know that morons are out there skipping out on vacinations for their kids. Because they skip out, their kids can get infected, because their kids can get infected, my child who is too young to get the vacination can get infected and die.
If you don't mind blood on your hands, that's between you and what ever god you think will have you. For me, I plan to take care of my family, and yours by listening to the science on the subject. Not the crack pot theories of celebrities and snake oil salesmen.
Oh and one more time, TO HELL WITH CAPTAIN AMERICA!
When a child lays dieing, wil you comfort them with the words, "It's what Cap would have wanted".
NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO GET THIS VACINE!
YOUR AN IDIOT IF YOU THINK ANYONE IS!
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE A MORON IN THIS COUNTRY!
If you don't understand that, then there is little hope for you anyway, think critically about the subject, actually educate yourself on the science, and you'll understand what the threat is, and why vaccines are worth what ever nominal risk might be incurred from them.
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| Posted: 29 Sep 2009 05:20 |
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Oh and WHO, I am certain I'm whiter than you, though your assumptions about race reveal more than my comment regarding snowflakes ever could (Snowflake being a term of derision for children of parents whose approach to parenting is more fashion than function).
As to H1N1 being no less dangerous than other flus, you are correct in that so far it's death toll is no higher, except, that it's death toll has inexplicably caught young healthy men and women in its grasp. That is why it is a dangerous flu. It has symptoms that can escalate very rapidly, which makes it a particular danger. Also the fact that it's death toll is no higher but it's season has been much much shorter, since it began as an off season flu is a cause for alarm, if it gets a full flu season we may well find that it's lethality has been greatly underestimated.
If you actually bothered to read any reputable information on the subject you would know that.
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| Posted: 29 Sep 2009 05:30 |
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WOW. THIS TYPING IN ALL CAPS REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. 
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YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE A MORON IN THIS COUNTRY!
Obviously. It's almost as if it were a requirement.
At one time, those in "authority" (including most scientists of the day) insisted that the world was flat. Woops.
This "vaccine" has the potential to severely harm some children. When a child lies dying, will you tell them "It's all for the best. Science has won an important victory this day."?
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I understand your side of things, Matches , but we also shouldn't just take what science says as gold either. They are humans and are imperfect.
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| Posted: 29 Sep 2009 06:18 |
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dang ... what site am I on???
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| Posted: 29 Sep 2009 17:31 |
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Actually, no, scientists have known that the world was round at least since the time of the greeks (they also knew the approximate size of the planet, which is why the laughed at christopher colombus, not because he thought the world was round, but because he thought the world was about 3,000 miles smaller than it actualy is.)
Science has had it's boners in the past, however the science of vacination is pretty well established, and has been for about 100 years. There are numerous peer reveiewed studies on the subject, and they are all of the opinion that the benefits of vaccines out weigh any concerns with regard to adverse reactions.
Adverse reactions are a problem, but they are a problem with any medication from asprin to chemo therapy. The problem however is more remote than the risks of a communicable, potentially fatal desease, especailly, when you consider that even if you are lucky enough to fight off the illness, others you infect might not be.
On the whole, the evidence just isn't there to warrant the fear that people have of vaccines. It is a risk, but not so much as the alternative risk.
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Note unlike the previous Swine Flu outbreak in the 70's this one is already at pandemic status, it has been shown to be human to human transferable, and it has been fatal in a number of incidents.
The vaccine might be rushed, but it is tested and shown to be efficatious and safe. Based on the evidence the risk is in not taking the vaccine, not in taking it.
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I served 6 years active duty in the Air Force and I can tell you for a fact that I got sick every time I took a flu shot, be it nasal or needle.
I for one was forced to take many questionable "vaccines" and most of which wasn't even approved by the FDA.
What I am trying to convey is they will probably spread the flu more than prevent it.
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| Posted: 29 Sep 2009 18:53 Last Edited By: pingclang |
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Well, time to speak up here. First off, I agree, it is a scary thought that the Govt. could try and openly force the people into something. That is a sign of the socialist turn America is trying to take and the people need to be prepared to combat that kind of thing. I don`t, however, see the military stepping into this. It seems they`re only preparing the military for quarantines if there is an outbreak and the media jumps on it, like always, and turns it into military action against the people. Stay calm folks, it`s not a civil war or anything.
As for the name calling, let`s keep it civil folks. This board is meant for DEBATE, where people display their opinions but not at the expense of others. Watch your mouths and take care of the feelings of others. Just because you don`t believe the same thing someone else does, does not give you the right to insult. Matches, you`re a prick and I won`t even hide that fact, but I like your style, so I stay out of it. Lets keep it civil, and fun folks.
As for the question, if this did turn out like it`s made out in the media, I think Cap would be just as torn apart as he was by the Registration Act, but eventually siding with the people and their rights. "Civil War" already answered your question Who311.
Aside from all that. Shieldbearer, thanks for your military service. Any man who serves this country,wether he be fighting or sitting behind a desk, has my full respect. I`d shake your hand, but that doesn`t work over the net. Thanks.
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I do appologize for my harsh reaction at the start of this page. It is just something that as a recent parent dealing with the fear of infection due to loss of herd immunity I get very passionate about.
As far as the military goes, yes you will be forced to do a lot of things that are not good for you, that is the cost of trading your life to the state for a portion of years. Theoretically the rewards you receive in honor, social, and monitary gains makes up for this.
Since bacterial and other infections are common in close quarters living, it doesn't surprise me that you might have caught a cold while being innoculated for the flu. That doesn't mean the flu shot got you sick, merely that other lesser illnesses are around at the same time as well.
Likewise, a heavy reaction equal to a minor case of the illness is better than a full blown case of the illness especailly as you are often not contaigeous in such situations.
As far as paranoia about our nation turning "socialist" it is something I have little respect for. There are basicly two points of view here, first that we can't turn socialist, we are already socialist, it is merely a debate about degrees. Unemployment benefits for ourselves, or medicare for our parents or ourselves are all part of our nations social welfare system, and few of us would really like to go without them.
The other point of order is that we are still (even if your guy didn't win last year, or four years ago) a Democratic Republic. So even if we do expand our social welfare system, it is because it is what the people have voted in, not because of some diabolical cabal of "others".
If you are an extreme libertarian, I understand your frustration with our nation, but let's be honest you were just as frustrated 5 10 and 20 years ago as you are today. So again our turning socialist is just the path we've been on since the failure of the whiskey rebellion, and if were still not there, I'm not sure we ever will be.
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With all due respect, the science has not borne out that there is a "pandemic". Spanish Flu in 1918 WAS a pandemic in that the infection rate was in the 1000's and 10,000's, which is a far cry from the infection rate at present. Could it escalate? Yes. It has not (at least not at the levels that would justify a true pandemic), and the fatalities that have happened have happened to those that had other conditions that made the infection worse that their compromised systems could not withstand. Does it justify mandatory inoculation? I don't believe it does at this time.
To tie in Captain America. Remember, his experience comes from WW II. He saw what happened at the Death Camps and those who had no choice in being injected with whatever. Would that have a lasting effect on Captain America? I believe it would. And I believe that mandatory inoculation would not be something he would not be in favour of.
The uppermost thought in any parent's heart and mind is the safety of their child. Each parent must weigh the pros and cons, and whether the risk of that particular inoculation would be useful. To say that a parent's decision to vaccinate or not to vaccinate is that of an uninformed moron is completely wrong. I would bet most parents that wish to opt out have done research.
I will not belittle anyone who is for vaccination, nor for anyone who is not for inoculation. I do not believe it should be mandatory: 1) there is not sufficient proof of a 'pandemic', 2) the efficacy of the vaccine is in doubt, 3) the fact that mercury is part of the makeup of the vaccine, and 4) vaccination is a personal choice, not to be legislated.
So you may call me an uninformed moron. That is your FREEDOM OF SPEECH AT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The definition of a pandemic is an illness that crosses national boundaries, and continents.
By that official definition H1N1 is a pandemic. It is also an epidemic based on rate of infection and speed of spread.
As far as tying vaccinations to nazi death camps, I think that speaks for itself about how very uninformed you are.
I hope your children never contract a fatal or sever illness, and I hope they never infect some other person with an illness that their bodies can't handle but that you could have prevented with a vaccine.
to answer your points:
1) the pandamic nature of H1N1 is well established.
2) the efficacy of the vaccine is not in doubt by those who have actually looked at the studies on the subject.
3) The presence of chemicals as a preservative that have been shown time and time again to have no effect on the patient is not a concern.
4) No one is trying to legislate maditory vacinations with the possible exception of schools that have had such regulations for decades.
Yes a parent has the choice to drive drunk with thier kids in the car (after all they drive better when they've had a few) and to skip out on vaccinations (after all Jenny McCarthy says it causes autism) but when they do, I have the right to point out that they are endangering not just their own children but mine as well.
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Estsantlehi,
The only thing I would say about you and Freedom of Speech is that I don't have freedom to pronouce your name! The rest I agree with.
I just wanted to let people know, who might not have, what seems like the govt. has planned for us in the near future. Also, it seems like they are being very hush hush about a lot of the details, which only adds to the concern.
Not mention that the makers of the vaccine say they won't take it. Many nurses have said they won't take it and President Obama has Pre-exempted the makers of the vaccine from any legal action that may be taken against them for health problems and deaths the vaccine may cause.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14453
Sounds pretty fishy to me .
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Shieldbearer,
I hear you. I felt like a pin cusion with all the shots I got when I was in the Marines.
Got me over my fear of needles though
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Yes a parent has the choice to drive drunk with thier kids in the car (after all they drive better when they've had a few) and to skip out on vaccinations (after all Jenny McCarthy says it causes autism) but when they do, I have the right to point out that they are endangering not just their own children but mine as well.
So you're comparing someone who chooses not to get vaccinated to a drunk driver? Lame.
Also who the hell is listening to Jenny McCarthy? I for one don't pay attention to what celebrities think.
The main thing I'm concerned about is people who take the government's word as holy scripture and never question anything. Those kind of people can be just as dangerous as people who think everything is a conspiracy.
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To quote Anchorman: Boy this really escalated quickly...Brick...did you spear someone with a trident? You should lay low for awhile.
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I don't think a Pandemic has been "well established" at all. In fact, the southern hemisphere had its winter and flu season and I'd tend to believe that if the Swine flu killed a record number of people the press would have been running with it.
Amazingly, most people who contract the N1H1 LIVE to tell about it.
To the discussion, I think Cap would take a reasoned approach. The illness ISN'T as bad as the press would have you believe, and the vaccine ISN'T as dangerous as people may fear.
The government SHOULDN'T force vaccines without hard evidence that it is necessary. So far evidence, hard or otherwise has been hard to come by given the dramatic and often misleading reporting.
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given that drunk drivers endanger the lives of everyone in their car and everyone on the road, and vaccine ludites endanger their children, and those who happen to be in the same room with them the comparison is apt.
THe problem is vaccine ludites like drunk drivers are incredibly self centered and don't realize the dnager they put others in.
Perhaps if these ludites ever met someone who edured polio or whooping cough they'd understand why vaccines are important.
I suppose the good news for them is that they soon will be able to meet such people, perhaps in their own family.
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P.S. about the "big evil government" while I do not take the governments word a face value, one does eventually have to conceed to more educated and learned persons when one is at an information disadvantage.
You do not find respected academics holding the view that either the H1N1 virus is not dangerous, nor do you find them suggesting that vaccines are more dangerous.
In that situation we all with our limited knowledge must weigh our options and make our choices.
Now, perhaps everyone is in on the conspiracy and I'm the dupe. However given the track record of crazy conspiracy theories vs. reasoned consideration of the facts, I think I am making the safer bet getting my vaccinations. Not to mention the legal door you open to yourself if you happen to infect someone with a compromised immune system.
It is only a matter of time before one of these kids who brings back german measles and infects an underage child, and that child dies. At that time negligent homicide charges for the parents will be the least of their worries. The civil case will likely bankrupt them as well.
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Im just mad Obama wants to make kids go to school longer. He even said some kids need some place safe to go on the weekends. Is he kidding me. I didn't feel safe at school when I was a kid. Now they have a thing called school shootings.
As far as shots go not getting too deep into it. I'd say most of the time it's important to take shots. I take flu shots every year, but it wouldn't surprise me that some shots turn out to be duds or worse because nothing is perfect in this old world.
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As far as kids going to school longer, I think a lot of kids could do well to have a longer school day or more one on one education.
As far as an after school program being safer for some kids, I think they likely are. School may not be the safest place (I went to a catholic school with some questionable priests, so safety is a realtive condition) but for some people it is likely safer than being unsupervised in their home.
As far as a longer school day, it might not be a bad idea so long as the time is used more effectivly, and for parents who work, knowing their child is supervised for a longer period is a good thing.
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Thank God I'm not a kid anymore with folks like you and obama around I'd never have a chance to read my comics, watch tv or play outside for that matter.
Besides it's the liberal way to throw more more more more money at a problem. Now Obama wants more money and time. It's what they do with the time and money they have that matters. At some point kids will get too tired to function as effectively.
It's like what happens to weight lifters that over train their muscles. They get sick and tired.
Kids will get sick and tired of school so much they won't have a desire to go to college.
Kids need time to be kids too. And don't get me wrong I think kids should learn some discipline in life, but they need more time to unwind than adults do. I just remember how it was when I was a kid, and the last place on earth I wanted to be was school.
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See I don't think of education as a liberal issue, to me it's quite conservative.
The theory goes, a better school ensures that later social welfare is not necessary.
The biggest problem with social welfare is that people get stuck in it, and have no real chance for opportunity. Providing a better higher quality education opening horizons, gives every citizen not only the right but the ability to make thier own way in the world.
If schools are broken you need to fix them, and if the problem is broken families, you're actually double stuck, since what allowed many of us to get by on less school was solid families. So you can either, ignore the school problem, and let broken families lead to more broken families and an eternal welfare state. Or you make the relativly low cost investment in more teachers, better schools, and more after school programs, and you avoid that whole problem.
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