| Posted: 07 Sep 2009 23:27 Last Edited By: Pole805 |
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The movie has an unlikely chance of coming out...I saw it in a magazine. Might find it interesting.
Said, Captain America, Thor and others have an unlikely chance to come out...
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Would Paramount, not wanting to line Disney pockets, try terminating its deal to disturibute two Iron Man sequels, plus franchise launchers Thor, Captain America,and The Avengers? Insiders say : Unlikely.
For read more, get the Entertainment Weekly, the Beatles Rock Band copy...Pg.23.
Over 60 years, no good Captain America movie, no Thor movie...Disney buying Marvel has turned my world around...greedy bastards.
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| Posted: 07 Sep 2009 23:47 |
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So by that quote, it is UNLIKELY they would terminate their deal then. Sounds like a Go to me.
But let's pretend Paramount pulls out. If only Disney were set up to make and distribute films, eh? (Yes, insert smirky face here).
I haven't listened to the conference call but apparently the call was made available when the corporate entities talked about the deal last week. From what others, who have listened, have said was some of the first things mentioned when it came to IPs (Intellectual properties) was Iron Man. Why? Because of the movies. Disney didn't buy Marvel to tear it down but because Marvel was making money and will continue to make money. The current and future Marvel movies are that golden nugget in their plan.
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I read elsewhere that it'll be around year 2013 that Marvel's profit will be going to Disney, soooo, Spidey 4 and 5, Cap, Thor, Avengers, Iron Man 2 and 2 other Marvel movies better get made fast and Paramount and whoever owns Marvel now better start raking in the money.
Then again, given today's economic climate, and how 2 or 3 studios got together to foot the cost of Waterworld and 2 studios (Columbia and MGM) managed to share Spidey's movie profits, ...Paramount and Disney can work something out for future Marvel movies.
Anyone know Corporate Lawyers that can hash things out with this stuff? Isn't anyone working on getting the Batman 60s Tv show on Dvd? Those shows were made by a studio that Paramount bought and own, and Batty is owned by Warner, ...no deals made for the Dvd release, ....
Plus any thoughts on how Joe Simon feels on this deal? Marvel fought hard over the new copyright laws to keep Cap in the Marvel universe, and with Disney acquiring Marvel, would that include the Cap deal. This happened when MGM bought United Artist and the owners of James Bond complained that Bond wasn't under that deal. Thus the long absence of Bond movies between Licence to Kill and Goldeneye.
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| Posted: 08 Sep 2009 00:19 |
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No cap movie would make me very unhappy.
will wait for the word to be final (not just unlikely) before I lodge a protest
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| Posted: 08 Sep 2009 05:23 Last Edited By: PS Schmucker |
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Would Paramount, not wanting to line Disney pockets, try terminating its deal to disturibute two Iron Man sequels, plus franchise launchers Thor, Captain America,and The Avengers? Insiders say : Unlikely.
Yo Pole, you gotta chill bro!
It it says UNLIKELY, they will terminate those projects.
So that's good news. 
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| Posted: 08 Sep 2009 06:30 |
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Listen to PS -- see, I misread it too! But I have learned long ago to not worry about a thing until it is officially true -- or officially false, as the case may be.
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| Posted: 08 Sep 2009 21:55 Last Edited By: Pole805 |
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Dang, I missread it 3!
PS you got me there...I think most of us misread...
Boy do I feel dumb....
Anyway, with the fact that Disney is going after profit, is there a chance that Paramount wanna close doors? I'm lookin' foward to a Winter Soldier movie, but with Disney in the picutre, profits, R rated films, and money will be in in the distance, because Disney might shake there head...
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| Posted: 09 Sep 2009 05:09 |
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but with Disney in the picutre, profits, R rated films, and money will be in in the distance, because Disney might shake there head...
Well... true it's too early to tell what kind of impact Disney will have with the whole Marvel thing....
..but look at it like this...
Q. Tarentino made Kill Bill, and it's bloody as hell.
Body parts and blood all ovet the place!
"Kill Bill" is made by Miramax, which is owned by Disney.
So technically Disney owns movies like Kill Bill.
If Disney allows Miramax to continue to make bloody, foul language, type rated "R" movies, why wouldn't they allow Marvel studios to continue doing the high action comic movies we love now?
Since Disney leaves Miramax alone to make their rated "R" movies, then they should also leave Marvel Studios alone to do their thing as well.
Marvel Studios may now have more money for future projects (via Disney) & and also have top notch marketing team for future movies (via Disney).
As long as Disney leaves the Marvel creative team alone, things should be fine, maybe even better then fine.
Only time will tell the true story though, we'll see....
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| Posted: 09 Sep 2009 05:21 |
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I understand and share your discomfort with Marvel's corporate status shake-ups. And being Cap fans, we all experienced the rug-being-pulled-out feelings when some big event and hype comes out, like the 2011 Cap movie --- a movie that we hope shows Cap as a hero and dynamic action hero in a cool war movie. With USA pulling out of Iraq, Americans views of soldiers at an all time high, the times right for a Cap movie.
Anyone recall the Tim Burton Superman relaunch that'll star Nic Cage? Something happened, no Supe movie and they left with a big paycheck for not making a movie. Already Thor and Iron Man 2 are in production, and a director is working on Cap, plus scripts, rewrites and preproduction works were already gone into these movies, ...so both Paramount and Marvel can lose a lot of money if no product comes out.
If the Cap movie doesn't get made, hopefully these advance notices will ease the dissappointment feelings. Like Incredible Hulk movie made to show how cool Hulk is after Ang Lee's too-serious Hulk version, Fantastic Four movie was much better than that awful 91 version (Which Marvel paid to NOT release), this is Marvel's chance to do Cap right after years of bad stories, relaunches, toys and an embarrassing 90s movie.
Plus, Cap is not the Punisher which had 3 movies and they weren't any good. Cap has a lot of potential, appeal and story that the general public will enjoy.
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| Posted: 09 Sep 2009 06:39 |
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I agree the time is right for a cap movie ... enough writers and artists have tackled cap in recent years and turned him into more of the character he should be: solider, secret agent (sort of, when he works for shield), warrior, fighter, strategist ... it is all spelled out finally ... for me, this is a better time to make a Cap movie than we've ever had in the past.
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| Posted: 09 Sep 2009 16:25 |
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As a point of order to all the Disney Haters out there, Disney will not be producing any Marvel Movies. Marvel Studios will continue to produce these Movies and televison shows.
The best way to think of it is a kin ot Miramax, Marvel Studios is now it's own Miramax, a lable underwhish Disney can fund the production of various projects that wouldn't be right for the Disney brand, but still want to produce as it would be profitable.
Really, one likely outcome is the possibility of Marvel Studios becoming it's own entity, producing films that are not necessarily Marvel Properties, perhaps even creating stories that are marvel in nature but not specifically marvel characters.
You could easily see Marvel Studios becoming the clearing house for popcultural action films (films based on video games for example or toy lines) for disney, with Marvel then producing the adequate and beleivable back story, and of course producing the comic tie in to the movie.
It's best to look at this as Marvel suddenly becoming about 100 times larger than before with 100 times more possibilities for bringing it's story telling style to new media.
As to the paramount issue. It's far more likely that Disney will seek to buy out Paramount's agreement (so as not to line Paramount's pockets) rather than vice versa. Paramount just made a deal, and their profits are made on the deal. Major corporations don't ususally make big decisions out of spite, so that fact that Disney will also make money on the deal isn't really a concern for them. For Disney, they may decide (much like Marvel Decided when they created Marvel Studios in the first place) to work to bring the current Marvel deals under one roof so as to avoid having to pay money to their competitors that could be lining their own pockets. In the end however a deal is a deal, and if paramount thinks it can make more money holding onto distribution it will, and if Disney thinks it will have to pay more to resecure the distribution rights than they'd have to pay in letting the distribution go forward, they wont.
I doubt Cap will be left out of the movies franchises, Assuming Iron Man 2 does well, the only thing you might see is the other Marvel Movies being brought in more directly to the Iron Man Franchise (sort of like the X-Men Origin's series) So you might see, rather than Captain America the first Avenger, you'll see, Iron Man 3 the First Avenger, and the discovery and history of Cap will be the central theme of that film, along with Iron Man 4 Wraith of the Gods where we get the Thor tie in and eventually Iron Man 5 Avengers Assembled, where everything gets tied together! Or they'll just keep it as it is with the money, talent, and actors already invested.
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| Posted: 11 Sep 2009 00:34 Last Edited By: Pole805 |
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With USA pulling out of Iraq, Americans views of soldiers at an all time high, the times right for a Cap movie.
People oppose the Iraq War, and blame the USA.
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doubt Cap will be left out of the movies franchises,
It's all based on success...there is know "For Sure"
But with Cap's popularity, chances are 50/50. Don't get me wrong it would be great, but shifting for WWII to present without a big story..., which is why the Avengers should be after Cap...making a more of a sense of a sequel...
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If Iron Man hits 5, I'm done they shouldn't make any more. Same with spider-Man, soon it'll end with one those movies struggling to make a good movie, then it ends up terrible...
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| Posted: 11 Sep 2009 02:52 |
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Views on soldiers and patriotisms are from America, ...the Cap movie is going to be marketed as ""The First Avenger."" some areas in Europe or in Asia.
I don't think a Cap movie would've been made in the late 60s, with the general public's views on Viet Nam and the American GIs that came back. I thought the 80s, Reagan's term, success of Ateam and GIJoe cartoon, was the right time for a Cap movie. The 90s, X-Files hit, conspiracies articles, tv, books and movie veering toward supernatural stories, ...not right for a Cap movie.
Plus, 2010 to 2011, America coming out of the recession/depression (I hope), people secured in their jobs or new jobs created, households' maintaining their finances, ...looks good for an action adventure movie about a Patriot. Imagine a movie on the depression era Our Gang/Little Rascals at this time?
I think Timing is important to the success of a movie. My trepidations is that the general public might be oversated with superhero movies (Spidey, IM2, Thor and Green Lantern).
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| Posted: 12 Sep 2009 08:29 |
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Certainly over saturation of super-hero movies is something to worry about. But if it is good, people will show up. We know the viral campaign will be there with us comic geeks looking forward to it but a good movie will insure that the non-comic fans will show and there will be repeat business after week one (think IRON MAN and THE DARK KNIGHT). Good word-of-mouth does that (something WATCHMEN didn't have).
The 1990s also gave us SAVING PRIVATE RYAN which is what I'm hoping the new Cap movie will have a bit of. Too many speeches and flag waving probably won't fly in a movie that is marketed in other countries besides America. They shouldn't be ashamed of it either like SUPERMAN RETURNS never using "...and the American Way" in the movie. People will expect a certain amount of patriotism and Americanism from a character that basically is wearing the flag.
I'm hoping for a quieter patriotism in the Cap movie of a hero that is scared to go into battle but puts his head down and gets the job done and doesn't brag about it. That is a quality I've noticed with Depression era WWII vets. While proud of their service, no one boasts about their service because they know the horrors of war. We need a Cap movie that is an Action movie. And those actions and bravery in battle will be enough to show his patriotism.
I don't think there will be much of a correlation between people's views for today's real American soldiers and a Cap movie. Viewers will know it is just a movie taking place in WWII. Unlike the Iraq and Vietnam wars, the lines between right and wrong are pretty clear, especially in hindsight. Everyone can get behind routing against the Nazis and a WWII Cap film doesn't have to just show American troops if they are looking to appeal to other countries.
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Interesting point about the rest of the world. I just hope it doesn't warrant the false or as many fans would say the Ultimates Cap's World War II uniform, helmet, combat boots with spats etc. I know I was impressed with the costume from the crappy 1990's film. Hopefully they might take the approach of the costume variations we are all now seeing in Captain America Reborn.
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And they should've made the 90s Cap movie based on Private Ryan themes, than on the Xfiles theme. But it was a small studio, no big budgets and good film makers. Quiet patriotism, still Cap has to say something, poignant, inspiring, interesting and a bit funny -- work for the writers.
Some themes that's universal and not 'American way':
Joining the Army, signing up to do something, to fight evil. Rogers couldn't do it as a skinny artist living in New York, so that was his avenue.
Army is his home, lost his mother, future not looking good, jobs and career not there for him, so Rogers found a new home and life. North Korea, most of their soldiers joined the army to make money for their families, so it's not only in America and it's not always bad or grim, like what Micheal Moore showed in his movie.
Red Skull terrorist army. Archtypical look for evil or abuse of power and position. Plus jazzed up look for bad guys. Nazis done to death, so a new image can help.
One Man army. Tired of Batman vs Joker, Spidey vs Doc Ock, Wolvie vs evil DeadPool fights? It's Cap versus freakin' hundreds of badguys. Visual and execution would look great and make Cap different from other SH movies.
Remember that sitcom, Major Dad? Career army officer marries a liberal reporter/widow raising 3 girls. It was doing so so in the ratings, but after the Gulf war (Kuwait), it had a big boost in ratings and publicity during it's second season. That can happen for the Cap movie in 2011.
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| Posted: 21 Sep 2009 16:19 Last Edited By: Stitches |
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It's not likely that the whole disney thing will affect any of these upcoming movies. i've done mass research on the marvel/disney deal and all disney was really interested in was buy all the rights to the characters. all the movies and books will still be put out by marvel studios with no interference from disney other than possible distribution. either way, it's really not as big of a deal as people have made it out to be i think. It's like PS Shmucker posted above, you'd be suprised how many bloody gorey movies have been put out by disney owned studios. From everything iv'e read, the cap movie is still moving forward and they are currently in the process of casting right now. it's been hard getting info on this because they are keeping stuff on this movie very tight lipped. a script is also being finalized for Thor. So unless a radical last minute descision is made to pull plugs, i think you'll see all these movies as planned. also, according to comicon interviews marvel heads, you will see cap storming the beach on D-day. Hell yeah! 
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