A lot of of you DON"T remember WWI...
I've come here to remind you that WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and others aren't the only wars out there.
It makes me dissapointed when no one talks about it, no one makes a movie about it, no one makes a video-game about it.
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Next week, on July 28, Austria-Hungary will declare war on Serbia, look on your calendar, does it say anything about this?
1915...May 7th...do you remeber? Germany sinks Lusitania triggering the thought about America entering WWI.
Last week: July 3rd... America first forces land in France.
1918...The Great War Ends.
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I hope you realise how important WWI is, without WWI, therw would be no Russain Civil War, WWII (Adolf Hitler served in WWI, i think...), no cold war...or any of that, I hope you honor those tropps that dies in WWI.
I do.
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Excellant comment,
Those that do not remember... well you know the rest!
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I have noticed that you hardly ever hear about that war. I was just reading an old Invaders where it was telling about the original Union Jack fighting in WWI. It got me kinda curious about the whole thing.
I don't even remember hearing a lot about it when I was in school. In some ways though the outcome of every war has lead to another new conflict. I wonder which one set the table for WWI?
You have a good point with this post. I think I'll go back and do some research on WWI.
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Good post Pole. You're right that a lot of people don't mention WWI very often. I seems that everytime I read about an oldest man in the world dying, they are veterans of WWI.
Truth is, for me I always seem to remember WWI, for some reason I always remember Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand (sp?) from 7th grade history. He was the Arch Duke of Astro-Hungary he was assinated by (I think Serbian, Pole?) dissident and that lead to War in the region.
Franz Ferdinand is also a band that you might have heard on the radio. They play the song "Take me out."
So remember that next time you hear it.
Also, as a former US Marine, we (Marines) call each other Devil Dogs. May have seen it on shirts or bumper stickers. Well, it was a title given to us by the Germans in WWI. They said we (The Marines) fought like Teufelhundens, which means Devil Dog. So I guess we stuck it those Krauts pretty good.
I wouldn't say it was a totally forgotton war. I think you hear a lot less about Korea than WWI. MASH is just about the only media outlet for Korea and that was much more recent than WWI.
WWI had Legends of the Fall, The Lost Battalion w/Rick Schroder, Pink Flyod the Wall (the animated gas mask scenes), Fly Boys with James Franco and those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
We remember WWI. Like you said, it lead to WWII and a lot of other horrible events.
We will always remember...
Posted: 14 Jul 2009 03:19 Last Edited By: Pole805
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Quote: we (Marines) call each other Devil Dogs.
You know, I'm a fan of the Call of Duty series, and Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare, you get to play as a Marine, in an unamed Middle-Eastern country, a guy says "Watch you six, Devil-Dogg", I wondered is that like a nickname or somethin'? Well now I figured it out.
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BACK to WWI, I find WWI more interesting 'cause you know schools gave a 3 page deal on it, and the other wars it gaves like a 10 page thing.
So it gives you a lot more to think about.
PBS came out with a colored documentry.
Troops acutally, in my thoughts, suffered more, if purchase World History for Dummies (I know). The Treches stunk, there were sick, injured men there, it was raining, and you had bombs going right in front of you. Mustard gas was probaly the most brutal, 'cause you hope the enemy wouldn't pop the gas in the treches, making you crippled ofr life.
Check out the timeline:
http://www.pbs.org/greatwar/timeline/ And this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I
Quote: He was the Arch Duke of Astro-Hungary he was assinated by (I think Serbian, Pole?) dissident and that lead to War in the region
Who311, A Serbian terroist assisnated Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, so they declared war on Serbia, triggering the war, and "Whose side are you
on?"
Posted: 14 Jul 2009 03:58 Last Edited By: Pole805
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Here are some pictures:
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Thanks for the links and the pics. Very informative.
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No problem. Anything to inform the people that there is a WWI.
Here's an interesting picture, showing the African Americans served in World War I.
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Interesting topic.
I remember a fair bit of this war from history class as a kid and quite a bit from my own study as a kid because of the beginnings of air combat in this war.
Gabrillo Princip (sp) was the Serbian assassin. He was actually part of a larger organized plot to kill the Arch-Duke that had failed earlier in the day and he lucked upon Franz Ferdinand on his way out of town. One of the big lessons learned is that secret alliances serve as no deterent if the potential foe doesn't know about them.
When talking of WWI movies, we can't leave out Sgt York (or any Snoopy vs Red Baron scene : )
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Oh yeah, Sgt. York. They made movie about him too.
WWI: trench warfare, mustard gas, bayonnets. No thank you! Gotta respects the vets.
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Quote: WWI: trench warfare, mustard gas, bayonnets. No thank you! Gotta respects the vets
Yeah, those soldiers had bravery like no other to survive a War like that.
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If you want a movie on World War 1, check out Paul Gross' (Due South) movie, Pascendale, something about Canadians calling themselves Stormtroopers and fighting in the trenches. Or, Lucas' Young Indiana Jones tv series, I loved the world war 1 episodes. Plus it slipped in the Russian Revolution (Something I read, saw documentaries, Orwell's Animal Farm was a metaphor of the Revolution).
As for the other wars, I catch them on documentaries, news articles, foreign channels (I'm getting to like watching Italian movies), docudramas and now and then, books and magazines from friends and coworkers.
There are many venues to learn, entertain or even get shocked on other events other than WW2. Awhile ago, I caught a documentary of the money system of 1500 Florence and Venice (Selling stocks, investing, etc).
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Quote: Awhile ago, I caught a documentary of the money system of 1500 Florence and Venice (Selling stocks, investing, etc).
Yeah, I like documentaries, gives you something more to watch the guys acting out.
I started to get interested in WWI when I watched the Peanuts Halloween episode, where Snoopy is dressed up as a WWI flying Ace! Look familiar?
Posted: 15 Jul 2009 18:10 Last Edited By: Pole805
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Here's the video:
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The Maori Battalion weren't much liked by the Germans either. Turns out that a bayonet equipped Lee Enfield was pretty close to the length of the traditional Maori short spear. Close quarters fighting was very much their cup of tea.
New Zealand lost a disproportionate number of her sons on the battlefields.
They shall not grow old as we who are left grow old,
Age shall not weary them nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We shall remember them.
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Quote: They shall not grow old as we who are left grow old,
Age shall not weary them nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We shall remember them.
Charles A. Repington came up with the term "World War"
“ [Diary entry, September 10, 1918]: We discussed the right name of the war. I said that we called it now The War, but that this could not last. The Napoleonic War was The Great War. To call it The German War was too much flattery for the Boche. I suggested The World War as a shade better title, and finally we mutually agreed to call it The First World War in order to prevent the millennium folk from forgetting that the history of the world was the history of war."
You know, after World War I, Russia broke out into a civil war in 1917, The Russian Civil War. It was 1917-1921, some people say the civil war was part of WWI.
Sad...If only I were there to say..."I may not remember, but I will honor."
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world war one was the introduction into the modern age of war.gas, machine guns, plane, and lets not forget the whopping death toll.to remind myself of it, i always play paintball with a gas mask and a old style helmet. thanks for the great comment, poles!
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I think WWI does get talked about but people have a stronger connection to the events of WWII. And since this is a Captain America board and the character has connections to WWII, it is natural that it gets more talk here.
There are movies and television shows based on WWI. Understandably, one doesn't see many now because of the cost. But here are some ones to check out....
THE YOUNG INDIANA JONES CHRONICLES
Almost half of the show takes place during The Great War. Sure, this show isn't as exciting as the Indy movies but what it lacks in action it makes up for in history. Lucas must have poured a lot of movie into these.
A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT
A gorgeous looking French film by the same director that did AMELIE & CITY OF LOST CHILDREN. Again, lots of money was used to make this one.
Also, if you watch Turner Classic Movies, you can catch movies about WWI like...
A FAREWELL TO ARMS
ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT
THE DAWN PATROL
J'ACCUSE
LAWRENCE OF ARABIA
THE LOST BATTALION
THE LOST PATROL
PATHS OF GLORY
SERGEANT YORK
SHOULDER ARMS
WINGS
And more...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:World_War_I_films
In terms of comics, I think there was a story with Spawn and Verdun. Marvel has the Phantom Eagle and DC the Enemy Ace and they really should do a Union Jack mini about him during WWI. The 1970s Invaders series mentioned about a team of international heroes with the Phantom Eagle and Union Jack but no one has picked up on the idea.
Locally where I live, there has been a lot of new construction with fancy movie theaters and stores but the one area left untouched was a monument to the soldiers of WWI. It still looks pristine. I should take some pictures of it.
My grand father served in WWI but I don't have much information and only one photo. As more time passes, it is natural for some of the family history to be lost but I'm currently working on the family tree history to preserve as much as I can. I'm currently scanning in my Dad's WWII pictures and doing some detectiving with a crashed plane photo probably taken by my Uncle. My Uncle has also uncovered our family history with my relatives serving in the Civil and Revolutionary Wars.
If anything, I feel the French/Indian War and the War of 1812 are the true forgotten wars. So I've taken to watch some history docs on the wars lately. __________________
As an Aussie I learned a lot about WW1, however that was probably because WW1 was the first war that Australia as a nation-state fought in. Our ANZAC Day (Aus equivalent to your veterans day) is largely tied with ANZAC forces landing on Gallipoli in WW1 so it's still a big part of our 'military' history.
There aren't many movies or video games made about it though. I had one game called Red Baron which was 'obviously' a WW1 era flying game.
It's an interesting and important war. The buildup (various nation-states being stupid), the catalyst (shot heard round the world), the complete change in how battles are fought (trench warfare, chemical warfare). The aftermath, treaty and reparations leading to the collapse of the Weimar REpublic and the rise of Hitler.
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You know I don't know if WWI is unpopular, so much as it is hard to break down into heroes and villains, especially since when you do break it down the U.S. and our allies kind of come off on the wrong side of it.
Remember the assassination that started the whole mess, we were on the same side as that guy. In Modern Terms it would be as if, the U.S. invaded Mexico after a Meixcan terrorist shot the president, and then the rest of the world united to divide the U.S. between Canada and Mexico.
It's telling that Alls Quiet on the Western Front is likely the account of the war most school kids are familiar with and it tells the story from the German side.
People like heros and villains. That's probably why WWII is such a well discussed war, since after all as villains go you don't do better than the Nazis.
Of course you always have individual heroes in any war, but without the equally strong villain to serve as the counter measure the story just doesn't have the strength that other stories do.
Posted: 24 Feb 2010 02:07 Last Edited By: Pole805
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WWII, what can I say about it?
Nazi's, Japenese ect.
Hitler;
SERVED IN WWI, wanted vengance on the aliies, created a socialist party, soon became the Nazi's, salughter millions of lives that were just trying live there life...
WWI;
WWII is popular because of the Holocaust, BUT little to we pay attention to the GENOCIDE that happened in Turkey, any many others.
WWI had many lives lost, many sick, many injured.'
WWI wasn't just in Europe, it was actually almost worse the WWII.
Mustard gas, bayonets, new artillery, soliders with sickness, new weapons, MODERN WARFARE.
WWI was fought with new weapons, WWII was fought with even deadlier weapons...
Let's not hear "WWIII has began"
Everytime we get into war, it most cases people side with the Americans, because we're good, they're bad.
Vise versa, the terrosits we fight, think they're the good guys, not us.
That happened between Allies and the Axis...
Warfare get's deadlier as you know it.
WWI's aftermath wasn't even something you can discribe.
WWI Death toll Allies:
22,477,500
WWI Death toll Axis:
16,403,000
Thousands are STILL missing.
If the Third World War is fought with nuclear weapons, the fourth will be fought with bows and arrows. ”
—Lord Louis Mountbatten
I do not know how the Third World War will be fought, but I can tell you what they will use in the Fourth - rocks! ”
—Albert Einstein
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I was reading recently that there are still 3-5 vets of WWI still alive. One is still in the USA. All these guys are past 100. It always trips me out when I see some of the footage from WWI with some American parades and they have a group of Civil War vets marching. But then only 55 years separated the two wars.
For WWII, America had 16 million serve and only about 2 million are still alive. There is some program called "Honor Flight" that flies American vets out to DC to see the WWII Memorial. They estimate that we lose over 1,000 WWII vets a day.
My Dad was out at DC about ten years ago but he just missed seeing the WWII Memorial. I was out there in 2005 and look lots of pictures. I'm not sure if he is fit for a flight across the country but I think I want to make a DVD slideshow of the pictures for him to see. That and the FDR Memorial since he is a HUGH FDR fan (he still hangs a picture of him on the wall like people use to do with the Presidents).
Like most vets of that war, he doesn't talk about the war much. It was just something they had to do. But I've been able to get a little information out of him.
Anyone interested in Art, History, and WWII should check out the book THE MONUMENTS MEN by Robert Edsel. I just finished it the other week and it covers a different side of the war not always talked about; that the Nazi Invasion was also one huge looting operation. The book covers how the great museums of Europe (and the USA) hid their great works, how the Nazis plundered Europe's great works, and how the Allies recovered most of the works with the help of a division of the Military called The Monuments Men.
Part of their job was to not only find these works, but get to them before the Nazis destroyed them (the were bad losers when the war began to turn for the Allies), and even to evacuate the captured works and return them to the original owners since the Soviet version of the Monuments Men viewed the artwork as spoils of the war.
If interested in this subject, Edsel also did a photo book on them called RESCUING DA VINCI. There is also a documentary on the subject called THE RAPE OF EUROPA that covers the book of the same name from the mid-1990s and more of the Italian campaign and even how some of the Allied bombs did some damage (Da Vinci's "Last Supper" was almost destroyed by Allied bombing). __________________
I am quite concern with you that this is very unique and hot topic to make movie and games. I am also curios to watch any stuff on such topic. __________________
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