| Posted: 26 Jun 2009 18:53 |
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just read this on newsarama:
link here
Is DC comics trying to capitalize on the recent fame of Captain America, or is it something different? You decide Cap fans!
__________________"--When the mob and the Press and the whole WORLD tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth and tell the whole world 'No you move'."
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| Posted: 26 Jun 2009 19:45 |
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Haha, those DC bastards! 
Cap got killed then they kill Batman.
Now word is out that Cap is coming back, and they are bringing the Shield back in the same summer too!
I did some quick research on the Shield character, and I had no idea he has been around so long, since January 1940!
http://www.mightycrusaders.net/shield.htm
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| Posted: 27 Jun 2009 00:09 |
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Yeah, he was apparently the first patriotic hero. If you read the null, they had to change it from the triangle shap to the round shape because of the Shield character. Also, Joe Simon comments on it in Cap 600. Of course, I think, that worked out for the best.
I had also thought DC had been planning to bring the Shield back for quite some time - since before the announcement of Reborn.
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| Posted: 27 Jun 2009 00:09 |
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Grrrr.. null should read: the wikipedia page on Cap's shield. Link still works.
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| Posted: 28 Jun 2009 08:27 |
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Making a Patriotic hero is not copying Captain America, that character just have to be different than Cap, like DCs Hercules is different than Marvel's Hercules, different than that Kevin Sorbo's Hercules, and that current Hercules with a Boar-head helmet in an independent comic.
MCIs Shield was the first comic book patriotic superhero, which they (I think, must read the Jack Kirby books) sent a letter to Timely complaining about that Triangle shield looking like that triangle design on his suit. The round shield was way better and also used as an offensive weapon.
Timely went on to make the Patriot, Spirit of 76 and Citizen V. I suppose other companies made patriotic heroes, have to go looking for them. Shield never gathered enough fans to keep it running, which that company became Archie, and now sold their supes to DC.
Simon and Kirby in the 50s, came out with Fighting America, very similar to Captain America, for an independent company, in the 90s, Liefield used that name for his Patriot hero, Agent America (After leaving the Cap book in that licensing-out experiment, Heroes Reborn). Late 80s, Guy Gardner in the Justice League comics, ran into a Patriotic hero, General Glory (I think that's the name), which had lots of similarities to CA.
But in the end, Captain America comes out on top, or better than what others do.
This Shield, the last outing just over 10 years ago, was the son of the original Shield, and the costume was a tech suit that gave him powers, ...this one? A man with problems has powers of a super athlete? An armored suit? A hero passing down the generations? A super strong guy? A career army man who got an dishonory discharge and trying to redeem himself?
Maybe I'll pick up a book or two, see if it'll peak my interest.
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| Posted: 28 Jun 2009 15:22 |
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No, here's what's happening:
No one is buying Dc comics anymore 'cause of the Cap issue #600 (Which was awesome!) and "Reborn"...
You ask me? DC should STOP making pointless caped super-heroes. SOOOOOOO there jealous on Marvel's sucess and decided to copy, which they probaly will deny. WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH!
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| Posted: 06 Jul 2009 10:30 |
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Hehe for anyone who didn't believe that the left were unpatriotic, look at the comment from the guy who said that a super-powered soldier was too right wing for him.
Because of course we know that soldiers only vote for one party, right? [/sarcasm]
Personally the thought of a man who'd taken oaths to serve his country having super powers scares me less than some super powered guy who owes nothing to anyone... or voted democrat.
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| Posted: 06 Jul 2009 22:23 |
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This is a trend, ...Bad cop movies: Training day with Washington playing a bad cop, then Quaid playing a bad cop for another movie, ...Fantasy movies: Lord of the rings, Narnia, Eregon, ...Magician movies: Prestige, Illusionist, ...Kill Bill, Resident Evil, Super women series, ...Theres those Teen sex comedies, cop buddy movies, ...Scary movies, Naked gun, Epic movie, ...satire of satire movies.
Dynamite comes out with a comic series on revise/reworked golden age comic heroes, Marvel does the same with the Twelve and Invaders/Avengers maxi series, ...Now DCs jumping on the ball with revising/revamping/reworking MCI's golden age heroes.
If you don't like it, don't buy it, if you want to talk about it, go ahead, talk. I'm hoping someone read the Shield and gives me a comment, ...maybe he's a threat to the Cap's dominance on the Patriotic hero domain.
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| Posted: 07 Jul 2009 20:29 |
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Actually the Archie heroes weren't that bad, not in total. And actualy the Shield back story isn't that differnt than Caps. Cap's story is better, sort of like how the Punisher's back story is better than Batman's.
D.C. went out and bought a bunch of minor comics lines a while back, including Charlton, and the Archie Heroes. Alan Moore, if I remember correctly originally sketched out Watchmen to use the Archie comics, and it was the Shield who was found dead at the begining. D.C. put the kabosh on that because they had plans for the characters, to integrate them eventually into the D.C., and told him to just rework the characters from scratch. So, obviously bringing the Shield into the DC universe was somethign that's been in the works for a long time, but likely they got the right writer and artist at the right time to pick up the character.
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| Posted: 08 Jul 2009 03:12 |
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If DCs looking to revamp/rework long ago superheroes, ...
Neal Adams superheroes; MsMystic, Crazy Clown
Atlas superheroes; Cougar, Iron Jaw, Destroyer
PC superheroes; Destroyer Duck (Created by Jack Kirby)
There's Mike Grell's StarSlayer series, Gil Kane's Space Hawks,
Once owned by Marvel, Malibu comics; Prime, Mantra
Hanna Barbara's people, Space Ghost, Birdman, Herculoids, Galaxy Trio
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| Posted: 08 Jul 2009 07:35 |
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I've only heard of Prime in that list...
It would be interesting.
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| Posted: 08 Jul 2009 15:48 |
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Actually, since Hannah Barbara is owned by Turner, which is owned by Time Warner, which owns DC, those revamps are entirely possible, however given that the Cartoon Networks current branding policy is to play them for Camp you would likely see a similar interpretation there.
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| Posted: 22 Sep 2009 21:21 Last Edited By: Stitches |
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It's still not as mirrored as image comics Superpatriot. WW2 era hero rebuilt and brought back to fight in modern times. Altho they did do a good job making superpatriot his own chararter, (cap meets punisher) cybernetic built body. Superpatriot is actually a really good read. However the origin could have been a little more original. I don't think there's anything wrong really with DC re-running their patriotic character. It's a hard thing for anyone to do because any hero wearing a flag or carrying a shield (the guardian) will automatically be compared to Cap. But at the end of the day, there is only one true captain america and everyone knows that.
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| Posted: 23 Sep 2009 00:22 |
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I still think DC should just should cancel it.
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| Posted: 23 Sep 2009 00:40 |
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As stitches said, all others will be compared to cap.
If you do the research, the explosion of patriotic characters in about 1940-41 is pretty insane. Major Glory, Yank and Doodle, the list is maddening.
But cap survived for a reason, probably because he had the best done costume and origin, among other things. So any attempt to do a patriotic character is probably doomed, just as any attempt to create another superman would be.
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