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Posted:  11 Feb 2010 06:26   Last Edited By: jacross
Joe Q's explanation has been that Ed didn't write into the script the 'tea bag' sign, but merely wrote in an anti-tax protest to represent a particular mood in the US.

...and then had the Falcon say he wouldn't be welcome.

So he meant to smear the entirety of people who advocate for less taxes?  Not just one subset that go under the 'tea party' moniker?

OH WELL THAT'S MUCH BETTER THEN.  FOR A SECOND I THOUGHT MY POLITICAL BELIEFS WERE BEING ATTACKED!

He does go on to say though:

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However, where I do take exception with Mr. Houston’s article is when he states that we are calling the Tea Party racist...wait I’m sorry, that we’re saying that every white person is a racist along with several other horrible and inflammatory accusations. Nothing can be further from the truth, accidental placement of a Tea Party sign or not, those sentiments are not in the pages of our comics and are a complete and irresponsible misrepresentation. And as for his criticism of the remarks made by the character of Sam Wilson, this is a four-issue series. So to really get a full picture of why he feels the way he does and what conclusions he comes to at the end of the story, you really need to read the whole thing and not just judge a story and its intent on the first issue. What we do at Marvel is provide our readers with the unexpected and many times what is on the surface is not what is really going on.


That's not a bad argument really.  So maybe I'll give the benefit of the doubt.  Maybe Sam Wilson by the end of the run will realise the anti-tax/tea party movement is not racist.  If that is part of the storyline then fine.  If not, then the message has been made. 

And if Ed feels the way he feels about the small govt movement, well I'm not optimistic that it will happen.
Posted:  11 Feb 2010 19:04
I think the implication with regard to Sam Wilson's line was that he was the one being racist.  Essentially assuming that because these people are associated with the anti-government crowd, they would infact be racists.

There is nothing to support this view of Sam, and I get the feeling that at the end of the arc we'll see this. 

As to the Tea Party activists being racist.  It is not so much that the movement is at it's base is racist, so much as it has found allies among those whose motivations seem to lay in that arena.

And this is where you get to the central point, remember that in the reveal of Dell Rusk's manipulation of Cap, the Watchdogs were shown to be funded by him, as were the Scourges, and Ultimatum.  They were funded and directed not because any of them were allied with the Skulls master plans, but because the Skull saw people he could push to acts that would disrupt Cap's world.

It is not that the Tea Party Activists are evil or racist, merely that those that are angry and frieghtened can be manipulated.  And the unscroupulous can use that fear and anger to their own ends even when it is diametrically opposed to the best interests of those they are manipulating.

Osma Bin Ladin uses a similar tactic to manipulate angry and fearful people to do his bidding, do you really think the Red Skull wouldn't as well?

I'm sorry that this is hitting a little too close to home for some of you.  But perhaps that means you should examine where you are living, rather than those that make you uncomfortable.
Posted:  11 Feb 2010 23:14
I just saw another link on this Tea Bag stuff.....
http://www.hypergeek.ca/2010/02/marvel-removes-a-tea-bag-referenc ...

http://www.hypergeek.ca/wp-content/gallery/cache/7426__320x240_captamerica_604_monster_397x224.jpg

http://www.hypergeek.ca/wp-content/gallery/cache/7425__320x240_1265819490.jpg
Posted:  11 Feb 2010 23:39
Well we've officially come full circle in this country haven't we?   Now we all have our panties in a bunch over a comic book (fantasy) story arc.   

Have we really nothing else to worry about???  How about these for starters:  Iran?  High unemployment?  Socialized medicine (health care reform)??   

Judas Priest this country needs an enema.   

"Go back to bed America, your government is in control.   Here is some American Idol and some extra large fries.   Stay stupid and fat, your government is in control"
Posted:  12 Feb 2010 01:05
Matches makes a good point.  The Sam Wilson line is not necessarily reflective on the 'small govt coalition', it could be reflective on his own misunderstandings or prejudices.

My above posts on the matter were clouded by the fact that as a libertarian I am familiar with the people who started the movement in 2007, were libertarians/traditional conservatives, and couldn't give a shit about racism.  I still view the racist thing as a smear against the movement, which is common from all sides in politics.  Honest discourse is extremely rare.

I have a fiancee whose parents are from the Philippines, I am not a racist.  As a libertarian you are such a minority and you are constantly being smeared and misrepresented.  A racist, selfish, a conspiracy kook.  Those people exist for sure and they are in the movement no doubt.  I find them amusing and I find them extremely frustrating.  The dishonesty is frustrating.  I guess when you get the smear so often you lash out at anything that suggests it. 

I hope to keep an open mind about the incident.  I don't honestly know what the true motivations are.  Hell if Sam Wilson realises his error then this is an extremely positive event.

I think the Tea Party's are being taken over and redirected in some way, but it's not by racists.  It's by the political machine.  The Sarah Palin's et al.
Posted:  12 Feb 2010 03:50
I don't consider Sam's words racist, for him or assuming the protesters are racist. I think he's just stating the obvious in the situation: how does a black man from Harlem fit in with a bunch of angry white folk. It doesn't mean this crowd is representative of ALL Tea Party Protesters. But it would be in Idaho, where the story takes place. Wiki has the 2000 census for Idaho at 96.99% white so, yes, chances are a crowd there is going to be just about all white. If Sam is an outsider trying to infiltrate the group, the fact of the matter is he WILL stand out. Talking about race does not always make the talkers racist.

Regarding the "angry" part. Protesters are generally angry. That is why they protest. It doesn't mean they are VIOLENTLY angry but they are upset. Therefore they are protesting. Not to many protesters show up when they are happy with the status quo.
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Posted:  12 Feb 2010 10:20
Yep good point Atomic99, the more I think about this the less of an issue I think it really is.

If #603 has the Falcon being chased by anti-tax protestors in white hoods THEN there might be an issue.