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I'd say Matt Damon as Cap.
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Matt Damon is too scrawny, short and liberal. Nuff said!
And don't give me any $#@* about how ripped he was in Good Will Hunting. He was a bean pole the Borne movies.
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Got you, no Matt Damon. How about Ben Affleck?
Something tells me you won't like that choice either, but I did think he was good as Daredevil even though a lot of people give him a hard time about it.
I can't even think of any young actors that aren't liberal though except for maybe Kid Rock and he's not an actor.
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That was you, huh? Haha. Good one. The only thing Matt Damon was good in was Team America! Just kidding. I actually like him a bit, but not as CAP. I thought Affleck was fine as DD. I liked the movie and the director's cut was almost an entirely different movie then the one that hit theaters. Too bad he is not smart enough to know that he NEEDS to do DD2 to revive his career. You know he "suppossidly" turned down the sequel, right? Anyway, he is to wirey to play CAP and the with that big ole noggin of his, he'd fly away with the wings on his head. The only thing I did not really like about him doing DD was that I thought he sort of let down the character by not beefing up or really getting ripped to play Daredevil. You play a comic character, you should do you part to look like them as much as you can. I know Tobey was ripped in the first Spiderman, but I think he sort of did the same thing in part 2. I hope he cut up for the third. Maybe it was because he hurt his back doing Seabiscut, but he should have been better built in part 2. Of course you could not really tell though, since they did not really show him without his shirt in the second one, but they probably would have if there was anything to show. Know what I mean?
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I heard Tobey lost a lot of weight to play in Sea Biscuit which means he had to lose a lot of muscle I bet. It's hard to lose weight and not lose muscle at the same time.
I'm trying to lose weight and keep the muscle. It ain't easy. Of course I don't want to look like a horse jockey. I'm aiming for Syvlester Stallone Rambo 2 or 3 look. I only need to lose 20 pounds or so. Ok maybe lose 20 pounds of fat and add 10 of muscle. Or maybe I need plastic surgery I'm not sure.
Speaking of Rambo did you know a Rambo writer is going to work on Cap I think in 2007.
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Interestingly enough, the latest issue of Wizard 2007 Movie Spectacular has given their idea of who should play Captain America in the upcoming Avengers movie, and guess who they chose for their Cap?
Yep, Matt Damon.
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Bump up your Protien intake and eat more smaller meals a day. Make sure you do cardio and lift. Doing both in one day, at separate times, will drop a ton of bodyfat pretty quickly, but you have to have a pretty good diet. I'm sure you know this already though. Seems like you have been working out for quite a while.
Also, try to get plenty of "good fats" high in omega 3's. Try Olive oil, coconut oil and almonds, walnuts and the like. Limit your carbs as the day progresses. You'll see results, but it is very high maintenance eating 6 times a day (not to mention expensive).
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Haven't had time to really do much of cardio every day. Lately I've been strength training with weights 3 times a week and cardio 2 days a week. I have been running a mile before beginning my weight training at least twice a week on top of that.
I think I'm cursed by heredity to always be a little tubby.
I wish I had more money so I could devote more of my time to exercise. It's always nice when you can find some b-ball games to get into. Hard to do in the winter. I never get so much exercise as when I'm playing ball. I love competion. Win or lose it's great to have someone to compete with to make yourself push your limits.
I'm taking all kinds of supplements, fish oil, multivitamins, aminoes, and now ZMA which is supposed to help you keep muscle while you sleep.
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Hello everyone.
For the love of all that is holy. Please do not let Matt Damon be cast as Cap.
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Duly noted CorporalAmerica.
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Missed that the first time, just to clarify, nope that wasn't me.
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Now really, how can an actor be "too liberal" to play Cap? Liberals are Americans too. They certainly ran the joint well when Cap was at war in the 40's. Are you telling me that Ted Nugent would be a better pick?!
I didn't think so.
Incidentally, I don't think Matt Damon is a bad idea. They're discussing him as a possible Captain Kirk, which I also think is a not a bad idea- BUT- he might make a better Cap. I can see him giving borderline preachy speeches- but I can't see him chasing green space babes with the same weirdo cool that Shatner had. Also- if Affleck is Spock, I will write a mean letter. Thats right Hollywood- you heard me- MEAN letter.
I just hope they coral someone who can keep it from looking stupid. So no Vin Diesl, no Hayden Christenson, give us someone who clicks with the script.
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Now really, how can an actor be "too liberal" to play Cap? Easy. Because a Damon's political views, having him play the ultimate American patriot would be a complete farce even though he would be acting. Quote:
Liberals are Americans too. They certainly ran the joint well when Cap was at war in the 40's. True, but the liberals of the 40's are not like the liberals of the 21st century. Quote:
Are you telling me that Ted Nugent would be a better pick?! I am a huge Nugent fan, but no, he would be a very bad Cap.
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They're discussing him as a possible Captain Kirk, which I also think is a not a bad idea Matt Damon as James Tiberius Kirk! Why must he ruin all of my heroes!  Quote:
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I just hope they coral someone who can keep it from looking stupid. So no Vin Diesl, no Hayden Christenson, give us someone who clicks with the script. Agreed.
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Just write a really nasty letter.
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LOL. I will. The rifle bit was just for emphasis....maybe.
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Nowadays political correct types are liable to take you serious. Back when I was a kid you could make jokes like that and everybody would automatically assume you were joking but not today.
Heck, today you can't make jokes unless they are perverted sex jokes. Any real jokes involving slapstick, making fun of anything or anybody, etc is not allowed due to the possibility of offending someone somewhere on the entire planet Earth. Therefore we must restrict any and all natural tendencies to laugh unless of course the joke is about sex or includes the f word that is not pointed to any particular group, person, or entity either living, dead, or living in another dimension except for jokes that condemn and belittle Christians who of course want nothing but the destruction of the known universe as we know it.
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Nowadays political correct types are liable to take you serious. Back when I was a kid you could make jokes like that and everybody would automatically assume you were joking but not today Absolutely. It was just a joke to express my displeasure but I guess I should take school shootings and things of that nature to heart.
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Heck, today you can't make jokes unless they are perverted sex jokes. Any real jokes involving slapstick, making fun of anything or anybody, etc is not allowed due to the possibility of offending someone somewhere on the entire planet Earth. Yeah, like the Three Stooges. People are always complaining kids will imitate their antics.Quote:
Therefore we must restrict any and all natural tendencies to laugh unless of course the joke is about sex or includes the f word that is not pointed to any particular group, person, or entity either living, dead, or living in another dimension except for jokes that condemn and belittle Christians who of course want nothing but the destruction of the known universe as we know it. It's kind of sad really, but it seems to be the way of the world now. If we all respected each others privacy and had some manners, it would be a happier world. 
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P.S. Matt Damon should stay as far away from a Cap movie as humanly possible. That is all.
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Please don't give them ideas.
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Easy. Because a Damon's political views, having him play the ultimate American patriot would be a complete farce even though he would be acting.
Hmmm. I'm looking for the point here. I think you were just getting to the part about what in Damon's politics makes him "farce" worthy.
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I don't think that it's fair as I said before, that it seems like we have a fighting class in our country. That's comprised of people who have to go for either financial reasons or -- I don't think that that is fair.
And if you're gonna send people to war, if we all get together and decide we need to go to war, then that needs to be shared by everybody. You know, and if the President has daughters who are of age then maybe they should go too.
-Matt Damon, on Hardball With Chris Matthews
Nationwide sacrifice, where even the children of leaders are sent to fight?. I fail to see how this is unpatriotic. Quite the opposite, so good for Matt Damon. Part of the reason this war has been such a disaster is because the people in charge of it had no personal stake in how it was fought. Yes, I am talking about the President and the 109th Congress.
Please detail for all of us how Matt Damon's political views make him unpatriotic. I suspect your honest answer would be "well, he doesn't see things the way I do". FYI, assuming you have the monopoly on patriotism is nationalism, not patriotism- big difference.
Also, you're going to have to tell me why the Democrats of today are different from those of the 1940's. This one is a much easier question, and only partly rhetorical.
But before you say gay rights (as Tim just did), lets remember that wedge issues such as this were not around in the 1940's, and Democrats are not the ones putting these issues on the table now. I have not heard them calling for amendments to the constitution telling people what they can or can't do in the bedroom.
Personally, I try not to get involved in the gay rights conversation, but I can hardly fault the D's for having enough sense of justice to oppose such a stupid idea as the aforementioned amendment, which the republicans tried twice. If Roseanne thought it was a dumb idea to push this while the nation is at war, then good for her; it was dumb, not to mention so homophobic it can only speak to the insecurities of its supporters. RIP 109, you really embarrassed this country before all the world and history.
I'm not sure who you guys think the Democrats were in the 20th Century. In the 40's Roosevelt did take a big step in integrating the army, followed by Kennedy pushing civil rights and Johnson signing the bill, which of course was opposed so by conservatives in the Democratic party that they left- and were welcomed with open arms into the Republican party. That definitely left a faction that was opposed to ill conceived wars, which of course was the origin of all this BS about Democrats not being patriotic. I wish the formerly liberal baby boomer Democrats had done more to oppose the current quagmire before it got started- because that IS patriotism.
These days, I find the Democrats I meet to be politicians and people whom for the most part are attempting to uphold their traditional sense of justice, while winning elections of course. This certainly doesn't make them worse than this generation's republicans, who were recently given the boot for their corruption and gross incompetence.
For example, take the oft cited political correctness- this was a very 80's topic and only brought up because America had to stop saying the n word at some point. (If you think its a shame that this word has made a comeback, then join the club.) If they're so concerned with the PC thing, then where are the liberals trying to censor South Park? Not me, thats prob my favorite show. You honky rednecks are the only ones I ever hear bringing up political correctness.
Please, just get over the notion that Cap must be played by a conservative. The odds of that are somewhat unlikely, given the general political climate radiated by the vast majority of actors everywhere, but especially in Hollywood.
Anyone who looks the part (I have no idea how tall Matt Damon is, but he DOES look like young Shatner) could probably do a decent job, especially since 90% of the "acting" in a film is really the script, effects and direction. I can't think of anyone who make a particularly good or bad Cap, but Damon DOES have an Oscar, so there is some proof that he can act. Furthermore, I don't usually give a rip what some uneducated actor thinks about politics, but this guy DOES have a degree from Harvard... you didn't exactly pick an easy target here fellas.
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Hmmm. I'm looking for the point here. I think you were just getting to the part about what in Damon's politics makes him "farce" worthy. Because he is just another Hollywood liberal and despite what he said oh Hardball does not change the fact of the bulk of his political views. Which seem to be liberal IMHO. He is also too well known an actor to play Cap. An unknown would probably be best. See Christopher Reeve and Brandon Routh.
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Please detail for all of us how Matt Damon's political views make him unpatriotic. Easy. Nearly everyone in Hollywood has done nothing but bash the President since the war started. Where was all this bitching when Clinton bombed Kosovo? Oh wait, Cheryl Crowe was over there supporting the troops. Where is she now? Oh, yes. Not supporting the troops because her canidate is not in office. And don't tell me Damon wouldn't be right there too along with his canidate.
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I suspect your honest answer would be "well, he doesn't see things the way I do". As an American, Matt Damon can define patriotic as however he chooses. However, I happen to disagree with what he considers patriotism. Because I disagree with him makes him no less of a partiot.
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FYI, assuming you have the monopoly on patriotism is nationalism, not patriotism- big difference. I never said I did. Read above about what I said about opinions. People can be patriotic in whatever way they see fit. Remember the 'fact and opinion' lesson from grade school?
I am not a conservative republican. I am not a liberal democrat. As I stated earlier, I fall into the libertarian party. Small amount of government and freedom to do whatever I choose.
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I don't think that it's fair as I said before, that it seems like we have a fighting class in our country. That's comprised of people who have to go for either financial reasons or -- I don't think that that is fair.
And if you're gonna send people to war, if we all get together and decide we need to go to war, then that needs to be shared by everybody. You know, and if the President has daughters who are of age then maybe they should go too.
-Matt Damon, on Hardball With Chris Matthews
This is Matt Damon's opinion of patriotism. He just sounds like another democrat who's pissed because his guy is not in office. If President Bush had sons do you actually think we would not be at war?
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Quite the opposite, so good for Matt Damon. In your opinion, it's patriotic. Yes good for Matt Damon.
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Also, you're going to have to tell me why the Democrats of today are different from those of the 1940's. This one is a much easier question, and only partly rhetorical. Are you serious? Back then nearly everyone was in support of the president and the troops. We had a mission to accomplish and we did. Men were fighting bravely and women were back here riviting bombers together.
Can you honestly say a liberal democrat from modern times would support the war? Much less work in a factory making bombers or ammunition. No way. They would be to busy complaining about how people die in wars, (What a surprise), blocking traffic with anti-war rallies and bashing the administration.
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But before you say gay rights (as Tim just did), lets remember that wedge issues such as this were not around in the 1940's, and Democrats are not the ones putting these issues on the table now. I have not heard them calling for amendments to the constitution telling people what they can or can't do in the bedroom.
Personally, I try not to get involved in the gay rights conversation, but I can hardly fault the D's for having enough sense of justice to oppose such a stupid idea as the aforementioned amendment, which the republicans tried twice. If Roseanne thought it was a dumb idea to push this while the nation is at war, then good for her; it was dumb, not to mention so homophobic it can only speak to the insecurities of its supporters. RIP 109, you really embarrassed this country before all the world and history.
What in hell are you talking about? Why does every conversation in modern times have to include gay rights? I am the biggest supporter of letting people live their lives how they see fit. Consenting adults, or young adults for that matter can do whatever they want. Who am I to tell them what to do?
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I'm not sure who you guys think the Democrats were in the 20th Century. In the 40's Roosevelt did take a big step in integrating the army, followed by Kennedy pushing civil rights and Johnson signing the bill, which of course was opposed so by conservatives in the Democratic party that they left- and were welcomed with open arms into the Republican party. Of course liberals and democrats have done great things such as you listed above.
For the record, I vote for the best canidate no matter what the party. I guess I probably fall into the libertarian party.
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That definitely left a faction that was opposed to ill conceived wars, which of course was the origin of all this BS about Democrats not being patriotic. This comes down to what party an individual is associated with. Liberals and Coservatives disagree just for the sake of disagreeing. Opposing a war does not make you unpatriotic. But opposing it because your party is not in office IMHO is unpatriotic...and sickening.
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I wish the formerly liberal baby boomer Democrats had done more to oppose the current quagmire before it got started- because that IS patriotism. Patriotism in your opinion. Why is it unpatriotic to defend yourself? I am so God damn tired of this 'curl up in the fetal position until you stop getting hurt' crap.
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These days, I find the Democrats I meet to be politicians and people whom for the most part are attempting to uphold their traditional sense of justice, while winning elections of course. This certainly doesn't make them worse than this generation's republicans, who were recently given the boot for their corruption and gross incompetence. All politicians are criminals in my opinion. I vote for the lesser of two evils. I have been burned by both sides because I believe they could care less about us. Are you trying to tell me Democrats are not corrupt or screw things up? Are you that brainwashed by your party?
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For example, take the oft cited political correctness- this was a very 80's topic and only brought up because America had to stop saying the n word at some point. (If you think its a shame that this word has made a comeback, then join the club.) If they're so concerned with the PC thing, then where are the liberals trying to censor South Park? Not me, thats prob my favorite show. You honky rednecks are the only ones I ever hear bringing up political correctness. Don't stereotype me you jackass. I simply stated that beside the fact Matt Damon is too short and small to play Cap is that he is too well known an actor and has political views that would not make many of us believe in the character. What in the hell does PC have to do with who should play Cap?
What the hell are you talking about?
I live in northwest Indiana, please explain how that makes me redneck? I can drive to Canada in six hours or don't you know your geography?
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Please, just get over the notion that Cap must be played by a conservative. Well, you finally brought up what the topic was about : Captain America. Good for you. And I never said a conservative had to play Cap. You just assumed I was conservative because I disagree with Damons political views. Do you know what assumption is? The mother of all fuck ups.
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The odds of that are somewhat unlikely, given the general political climate radiated by the vast majority of actors everywhere, but especially in Hollywood. An unknown would be the best for Cap. If you cast someone who most of America considers unpatrioc and is an actor that women make idiots of themselves over (see my earlier posts) your risk angering the bulk of your audience. Are you trying to tell me that most Cap fans are Matt Damon and Ben Affleck fans? No way in hell. Remember the Daredevil movie?
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I can't think of anyone who make a particularly good or bad Cap, but Damon DOES have an Oscar, so there is some proof that he can act. Big fucking deal. Doesn't mean he can play Captain America.
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Furthermore, I don't usually give a rip what some uneducated actor thinks about politics, but this guy DOES have a degree from Harvard... you didn't exactly pick an easy target here fellas.
The fact that he is intelligent enough to get a degree from Harvard does not make him patriotic.
This was supposed to be a topic about Captain America. Thank you oh so much for turning it into a political debate. Oh, and no one cares about your political views. If you want to discuss Cap, let me know. Nimrod.
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Okay, first of all- politics are often discussed on this board. Don't believe me? Ask the guy who runs it.
Secondly, YOU amongst others expressed the opinion that he should not play Cap because he is a liberal before I ever said anything. Of course I was going to speak up, just like you would have had someone said "No libertarians should play Cap, they aren't patriotic enough".
Yes, I am tired of the liberal bashing- especially where Cap is concerned. You asked for a political debate and so you got one. Don't get your panties in a twist because someone called out your faulty logic.
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Because he is just another Hollywood liberal and despite what he said oh Hardball does not change the fact of the bulk of his political views. Which seem to be liberal IMHO.
So...he doesn't believe what he says? Lets have some quotes that shows how liberal he is. That was just the first thing I found- knock yourself out.
Of course, even if he's left of Rosie O'Donnell, what does this have to do with his acting ability? His ability to play Cap? Right, nothing.
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He is also too well known an actor to play Cap. An unknown would probably be best. See Christopher Reeve and Brandon Routh.
Okay, I don't take any issue with that. An unknown could be good or he could be Hayden Christianson.
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Nearly everyone in Hollywood has done nothing but bash the President since the war started. Where was all this bitching when Clinton bombed Kosovo? Oh wait, Cheryl Crowe was over there supporting the troops. Where is she now? Oh, yes. Not supporting the troops because her canidate is not in office. And don't tell me Damon wouldn't be right there too along with his canidate.
The Republicans went ape $^*% every time Clinton used the military! How about this little gem from the NATIONAL REVIEW-
"Since Clinton's ambition is an impulse, unconnected to any preparation, pilots and Kosovars will bear the costs of its failure."
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And what happened? The Serbs SURRENDERED. Their leader recently died in NATO custody and the Balkans are at peace. Strategic diplomacy and alliances, even without the UN's blessing worked. Of course I don't support the fool Bush, especially when compared to Clinton. He should have been taking notes!
But the right STILL hated anything that had to do with Clinton, one can only guess because he made them look like chumps. I seem to recall a then candidate Bush saying in 2000 that he was against nation building. What ever happened to that guy? (You can go on the routine 9/11 somehow = Iraq rant here if you so choose.)
But thats just me and the facts I gathered. Neither you nor I have any idea what Cherryl Crow is up to, nor Matt Damon. But if they don't support Bush's bungled agenda, good for them. At least someone out there occasionally reads a newspaper.
I am guessing here, but with security being what it is these days in Iraq, I doubt many people CAN go to entertain the troops. Al Franken (HUGE liberal, foolishly supported the war) has managed to go a few times, but I'm not sure if he's been able to lately. Maybe Sherryl Crow has been busy recovering from cancer. Maybe she isn't as popular now. Maybe she could go to the Balkans for the troops because that war hadn't been bungled to the point of total chaos.
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I am not a conservative republican. I am not a liberal democrat. As I stated earlier, I fall into the libertarian party. Small amount of government and freedom to do whatever I choose.
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This is Matt Damon's opinion of patriotism. He just sounds like another democrat who's pissed because his guy is not in office. If President Bush had sons do you actually think we would not be at war?
Oooookay, so why isn't Matt Damon or any other liberal protesting Afghanistan? Right, because we support necessary wars. As far as Bush goes, he does have a nephew of age to serve (since I guess women, even one's who have died in Iraq don't count). But precious little Prescott has been conspicuously absent from service. The only place he does seem to show up is the campaign trail, much like his uncle in the 70's.
Furthermore, Vietnam ended along with student deferments- look it up. You're right, we probably wouldn't be in this war with an honest draft. We'd be winning in Afghanistan instead. When the wealthy and powerful are asked to send their sons, they actually evaluate if a war is worth the loss. It could happen yet, it has before.
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Back then nearly everyone was in support of the president and the troops. We had a mission to accomplish and we did. Men were fighting bravely and women were back here riviting bombers together.
Can you honestly say a liberal democrat from modern times would support the war? Much less work in a factory making bombers or ammunition. No way. They would be to busy complaining about how people die in wars, (What a surprise), blocking traffic with anti-war rallies and bashing the administration.
Really? My best friend teaches handicapped kids in an inner city school. I'm in security. I can find you an entire political science department full of hardworking humanitarians making waaaaay less than they should be because they're in public service. So you're telling me all these liberals are just living it up while the country is being wrecked? You don't know what you're talking about. I'm trying not to hold that against you.
Liberals have backed up many a well run and necessary war, including Afghanistan. They even come to terms with their own mistakes. The Democrats started Vietnam and the liberals within that party protested it once it was clearly a mistake. They did not protest successful humanitarian intervention in Kosavo, Bosnia, nor did they disagree with the bombings on Iraq and Afghanistan in he 90's.
I just got home from a Homeland Security Conference where I spoke with a young military liberal democrat who DID serve in the US Army, despite a plethora of opportunities had he stayed civilian. This guy was angry about Bush squandering the spirit of national service after 9/11. He was angry that his friends are on their third or fourth tour with no end in sight. He was angry that the president says a political solution is the only answer, then sends more troops to cover his @ss when he can't come up with one!
What is the difference between today's left and those of Cap's time? A few hippies hanging around colleges. The vast majority of the active left is comprised of hardworking idealists, no less patriotic than you, Captain America or the WWII generation.
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Why does every conversation in modern times have to include gay rights? I am the biggest supporter of letting people live their lives how they see fit. Consenting adults, or young adults for that matter can do whatever they want. Who am I to tell them what to do?
Good for you. Someone else brought that up- my reply wasn't directed at libertarians.
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For the record, I vote for the best canidate no matter what the party. I guess I probably fall into the libertarian party.
To be perfectly honest, there is plenty I see wrong with some Democrats where government is concerned. I can totally sympathize when people feel political parties are working hard to ruin their lives and businesses with over-regulation.
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But opposing it because your party is not in office IMHO is unpatriotic...and sickening.
How do you know that is the only reason people oppose the war? You don't and the evidence says otherwise. Most national Democratic leaders DID vote for giving Bush the authority to go to war. It has nothing to do with being in office or not- this guy started it, and I'm mad at everybody that stood by and let him do it! I'll hold my nose if I have to vote for HC.
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Why is it unpatriotic to defend yourself? I am so God damn tired of this 'curl up in the fetal position until you stop getting hurt' crap.
What a bunch of BS. First of all, Iraq wasn't a threat. Afghanistan was and liberals supported it. Now, because of bush's blunders Iran IS a threat. If you don't understand foreign policy, don't comment about other people's patriotism.
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All politicians are criminals in my opinion. I vote for the lesser of two evils. I have been burned by both sides because I believe they could care less about us. Are you trying to tell me Democrats are not corrupt or screw things up? Are you that brainwashed by your party?
Of course not. But total cynicism is poisonous to the entire system. Politicans here care more about you than they would anywhere else in the world, because they have to. If you write them off- if you don't look past personal faults to understand their policies- THAT is when they get the power not to care about the voter.
The fact is that a few bad apples don't have to spoil the entire bunch- not in the case of the Democrats or the Republicans. Both have talented, committed leaders along with some that can't be trusted. it all comes out in the policy.
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I live in northwest Indiana, please explain how that makes me redneck? I can drive to Canada in six hours or don't you know your geography?
Okay, not to split hairs here but there ARE rednecks in Canada. Honestly, I thought long and hard about the PC joke "honky rednecks", and thought you would get it- since you and Tim were bemoaning political correctness. Hopefully Tim got a laugh, since we take shots at each other all the time. My apologies, but if its any consolation, you're talking to a honky redneck.
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And I never said a conservative had to play Cap. You just assumed I was conservative because I disagree with Damons political views. Do you know what assumption is? The mother of all fuck ups.
What? Should I have assumed you wanted a purple gorilla to play Cap? This little hate-on you've got for liberals got this debate going, ma'am. It is waaaaaay too late to whine about this going to politics now. i checked this board and saw several shots at my political ideology- first and foremost the notion that liberals aren't patriotic enough to play Cap.
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An unknown would be the best for Cap. If you cast someone who most of America considers unpatrioc and is an actor that women make idiots of themselves over (see my earlier posts) your risk angering the bulk of your audience. Are you trying to tell me that most Cap fans are Matt Damon and Ben Affleck fans? No way in hell. Remember the Daredevil movie?
Sure, and clearly so do you. The point is that we both went to see it because it was Daredevil. Read my earlier post about producers looking for MONEY not a good movie. C'mon, you're a liberatarian, you should know this.
If you ask me, both Superman Returns and the Star Wars prequels never gelled with the public because they couldn't make serious A-list stars overnight. Fine, they could have done a lot worse- just like Daredevil. Someone of Tobey McGuire caliber is probably called for.
I'm not saying that is Matt Damon. To be honest, I haven't seen a Matt Damon movie in a loooooong time. I just think he deserves a break on the political front.
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I said: I can't think of anyone who make a particularly good or bad Cap, but Damon DOES have an Oscar, so there is some proof that he can act.
You said: Big fucking deal. Doesn't mean he can play Captain America.
Fair enough, but this guy does have the grit. Didja know he lost 40 pounds by running 6 miles a day and eating almost nothing, just to do the two days of shooting it took for "the Talented Mr. Ripley"? he had to take medicine for years to get over that shock to his system, being pretty skinny already. Most actors are not that dedicated to what is an amazingly easy lifestyle considering the pay. I'm not saying he's right for Cap, but he has considerable drive.
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The fact that he is intelligent enough to get a degree from Harvard does not make him patriotic.
Right, and being a liberal doesn't make him unpatriotic. I wouldn't cast Ted Nugent as Cap, but I wouldn't question his patriotism, weirdo that he is- he's still an American. If you don't want this board to be political, then don't bring up or respond to politics. You wanna keep posting your trash, then either take the response like a man or drive 6 hours north.
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Okay, first of all- politics are often discussed on this board. Don't believe me? Ask the guy who runs it. So. The discussion is about Cap, not politics.
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Secondly, YOU amongst others expressed the opinion that he should not play Cap because he is a liberal before I ever said anything. Also amongsnt other reasons.
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Of course I was going to speak up, just like you would have had someone said "No libertarians should play Cap, they aren't patriotic enough".
Are you some kind of mind reader? You don't know that. You're making assumptions again.
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Yes, I am tired of the liberal bashing- especially where Cap is concerned. You asked for a political debate and so you got one. I was not bashing anyone. I stated that along with his build, popularity and political views I thought he was a bad choice for Cap. I don't care who is liberal and who is not.
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You asked for a political debate and so you got one. Don't get your panties in a twist because someone called out your faulty logic. More mind reading? And why is it faulty logic? I stated an opinion and your the one who got his panties in a bunch and turned this into a god damn polictical forum.
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So...he doesn't believe what he says? Lets have some quotes that shows how liberal he is. That was just the first thing I found- knock yourself out. What? I never said that. And I suppose I'll have to dig up some quotes from hollywood half wits. Again, are you trying to tell me he's not part of the hollywood left?
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Of course, even if he's left of Rosie O'Donnell, what does this have to do with his acting ability? His ability to play Cap? Right, nothing. He shouldn't play Cap for that reason. The guy can act but he can't do every part.
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The Republicans went ape $^*% every time Clinton used the military! How about this little gem from the NATIONAL REVIEW-
As I stated in my last post, repblicans and democrats don't support military action if their canidate is not in office. You are correct about what they said about Clinton. But it also proves my earlier point.
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And what happened? The Serbs SURRENDERED. Their leader recently died in NATO custody and the Balkans are at peace. Strategic diplomacy and alliances, even without the UN's blessing worked. Of course I don't support the fool Bush, especially when compared to Clinton. He should have been taking notes! Now your proving my point. Clinton kicks ass when he uses the military, but bush is fool when he does? I'm not saying the war now is bogged down in Vietnam-like quagmire but this is to immersed on your party stuff I speak of.
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But the right STILL hated anything that had to do with Clinton, one can only guess because he made them look like chumps. Yes, the Clinton legacy. He was slick and women loved him. Blah, blah, blah. Why do you get all excited about a political party? Trust me, they don't care about either of us.
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Awesome. But you still ripped on liberals, so i spoke up. How so? I have nothing against liberals. They do have some very good ideas. They don't want to starve kids out of their school lunch like republicans do.
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Oooookay, so why isn't Matt Damon or any other liberal protesting Afghanistan? Right, because we support necessary wars. As far as Bush goes, he does have a nephew of age to serve (since I guess women, even one's who have died in Iraq don't count). But precious little Prescott has been conspicuously absent from service. The only place he does seem to show up is the campaign trail, much like his uncle in the 70's. Perhaps you recall when the war began all the 'stars' wouldn't leave my television screen. It's been awhile and the chance for publicity is gone. It's old news.
Yes, George Bush and his nephew have silver spoons and don't have to fight. No argument here.
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Really? My best friend teaches handicapped kids in an inner city school. I'm in security. I can find you an entire political science department full of hardworking humanitarians making waaaaay less than they should be because they're in public service. Agreed, public servants are vastly underpaid. Which is kind of why I don't understand why you would defend an actor who has millions of dollars.
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I just got home from a Homeland Security Conference where I spoke with a young military liberal democrat who DID serve in the US Army, despite a plethora of opportunities had he stayed civilian. This guy was angry about Bush squandering the spirit of national service after 9/11. He was angry that his friends are on their third or fourth tour with no end in sight. He was angry that the president says a political solution is the only answer, then sends more troops to cover his @ss when he can't come up with one!
Again, no argument here.
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What is the difference between today's left and those of Cap's time? A few hippies hanging around colleges. The vast majority of the active left is comprised of hardworking idealists, no less patriotic than you, Captain America or the WWII generation. See my last post. Still a huge difference.
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How do you know that is the only reason people oppose the war? You don't and the evidence says otherwise. Most national Democratic leaders DID vote for giving Bush the authority to go to war. It has nothing to do with being in office or not- this guy started it, and I'm mad at everybody that stood by and let him do it! I'll hold my nose if I have to vote for HC. I meant actors in Hollywood, not politicians. I know he had support from congress, but as you stated earlier he is now taking advantage of post-911 patriotism.
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What a bunch of BS. First of all, Iraq wasn't a threat. Afghanistan was and liberals supported it. Now, because of bush's blunders Iran IS a threat. If you don't understand foreign policy, don't comment about other people's patriotism. What's not to understand? Should we sit idly by while a culture wants to kill everyone they consider the 'infadel'. Let them worship however they see fit. How do I fit in to the Musulim religion?
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What? Should I have assumed you wanted a purple gorilla to play Cap? This little hate-on you've got for liberals got this debate going, ma'am. Yes, Grape Ape would be good. And for the love of Christ, I don't hate liberal. But by all means, keep pervertin what I said into that. Who are you calling ma'am?
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It is waaaaaay too late to whine about this going to politics now. i checked this board and saw several shots at my political ideology- first and foremost the notion that liberals aren't patriotic enough to play Cap.
Becuase I based my opinion off of what I see and read. And last time I checked, no person in either party seems to care what is right for everyone and the entire country. Only their parties agenda.
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Sure, and clearly so do you. The point is that we both went to see it because it was Daredevil. Read my earlier post about producers looking for MONEY not a good movie. C'mon, you're a liberatarian, you should know this. Yeah, I should. I rented Daredevil though.
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I'm not saying that is Matt Damon. To be honest, I haven't seen a Matt Damon movie in a loooooong time. I just think he deserves a break on the political front. Fair enough. I still think he and others like him are wrong for the part.
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Fair enough, but this guy does have the grit. Didja know he lost 40 pounds by running 6 miles a day and eating almost nothing, just to do the two days of shooting it took for "the Talented Mr. Ripley"? he had to take medicine for years to get over that shock to his system, being pretty skinny already. Most actors are not that dedicated to what is an amazingly easy lifestyle considering the pay. I'm not saying he's right for Cap, but he has considerable drive. I don't doubt his drive. If he did get the part I bet he would work out and train like crazy. I'll give him that.
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Right, and being a liberal doesn't make him unpatriotic. I wouldn't cast Ted Nugent as Cap, but I wouldn't question his patriotism, weirdo that he is- he's still an American. Ted can't play Cap for obvious reasons. And I don't question anyones patriotism, just have a different opinion what some people consider patriotism. Furthering your party before the good of the nation does not seem like patriotism to me.
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If you don't want this board to be political, then don't bring up or respond to politics.
I've seen some of your posts. Guess it's O.K. for you to do it? Doesn't surprise me.
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You wanna keep posting your trash, then either take the response like a man or drive 6 hours north. Trash? What makes your responses not trash? Why can't you take a response like a man? All over Matt Damon none the less. You sure like him, don't you? 
Take it like a man. Please. Because I disagree with what you said? If anyone got their panties in a bunch it was you. Calm down.
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I liked Brandon Routh in the Superman. I thought the movie was good and I look forward to a sequel, BUT, I think he could have been a lot bigger. I just don't want a BUT when talking about the guy who plays Captain America. He HAS to be a big dude. Superman gets his power from the yellow sun, CAP gets his strength from his huge muscles and the super soldier serum, which gave him huge muscles. See where I am going. So, unknown, yes, scrawny unknown, no. We can get a scrawny star if that was the case.
ps. Matt Damon is lame. Good actor though.
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I liked Brandon Routh too, but he was a little skinny. Superman Returns itself was good but not as action filled as I wanted.
As far as all the political talk above I really want to get into it and discuss all the points made, but part of me just can't summon the strength for a year long argument.
But skimming through I found one thing I won't to address it seems like Danny may I say may have been trying to compare gay rights to civil rights and they are two way different subjects. Namely in my view because the Bible teaches love for all mankind, but not for man's sin. To express kindness towards' another doesn't have to include acceptance of their immorality. Jesus ate with sinners, but he always ended up saying things like, "Go and sin no more" not you are forgiven go right back to what you were doing.
Feel free to express your opinions guys, but please try to avoid f words. I know it can be hard when politics becomes the subject but please try.
Freedom of speech is what makes our land so great, let's hope that freedom is never taken away by political correctness of either side.
Now about the actor to play Cap, does anybody want to see my pictures?
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Feel free to express your opinions guys, but please try to avoid f words. I know it can be hard when politics becomes the subject but please try. I apologize Tim. I just was offended by the "redneck honky" comment, became angry and let the "F" bomb go a few times.
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Now about the actor to play Cap, does anybody want to see my pictures? Yes. And your new Cap logo, I never saw that either.
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Superman Returns itself was good but not as action filled as I wanted. I'm thinking we'll get that in Superman Returns part II.
I think the first movie was just a set up. I love the plane rescue.
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ps. Matt Damon is lame. I'm at my moms house and she just looked over my shoulder and asked what I was doing. I said that we are having a discussion about Matt Damon playing Captain America. She said: "MATT DAMON! (with a disgusted look on her face) even I know he can't play Captain America! I liked the guy who played Superman, though."
I just thought that was funny.
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Good actor though. Indeed. Cap material? No IMHO.
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Plane rescue rocked, it really set me my expectations up really high from that point on, unfortunately that was the high point of the movie. I think they should have saved that for the end.
About my pictures, I'm up to 275 on the bench now all I got to do is lose some fat and watch out Arnold cause Tim's in the house now. I'll settle for playing a bad guy in the Cap movie even.
Acting ability is optional right.
Well maybe WH0311 will get a part and talk somebody into giving us all a part in the movie or at least as consultants.
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