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About my pictures, I'm up to 275 on the bench now all I got to do is lose some fat and watch out Arnold cause Tim's in the house now. I'll settle for playing a bad guy in the Cap movie even. Cool. Better than I'm doing. I go in phases. I was in great shaped for awhile, ran a 10-mile marathon and lifting alot, but not close to a 275 lb bench. I stay stuck at 225.  Once we moved into our house after the fire, my wife and I have been dealing with red tape and my gym visits are non existant now.
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Well maybe WH0311 will get a part and talk somebody into giving us all a part in the movie or at least as consultants. I would like to play an extra of a squad leader in Caps platoon, WWII or modern. That would be cool. But I can't act my way out of a paper bag.
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10 mile marathon, that's hard. I hate running, I do it as much as I can, but I hate it.
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Let me try and put it this way.
I think most actors in Hollywood are too liberal to play Cap. However, if Ted Nugent was an actor and had the right look to play Cap, he's too conservative to play Cap. It seems there would be no neutral actor to do it. Or maybe one does exist. Point being we need someone who is not about a party but about the nation. Cap is about the good of the nation, not about a political party. I don't picture Cap as a Democrat or a Republican. I don't see Cap as a liberal or a conservative. I see Cap as guy who would not get into a discussion about who he would vote for during an election. I see a guy who would do what is absolutely the best possible thing for the United States of America. I don't see a guy who would get up on a soap box and start preaching. I do see a guy who would defend people's rights to peacefully protest. I see a champion of 200+ year old experiment in freedom.
If I insulted anyones political idealology, that was not my intent. As I mentioned earlier, Ted Nugent could not play Cap because he is too conservative. The reason being, and I am a huge Nugent fan, he seems very intolerant of the liberal side of things. Which, IMHO, makes me question his patriotism. How can he support his right to freedom, but deny people with different political views their freedom to do what they choose? It's all about freedom for all.
I guess because of my attitude about politicians and their respective parties, perhaps I spoke in haste and offended Danny. This is due to the fact that I distrust politicians and honestly believe that their only interest is their party, not what is good for the tax payers.
Sometimes I think when people speak of how patriotic they are, they forget about the big picture. I think people on both sides do this. Conservatives and liberals are both guilty of what freedoms a person should possess and how the country should be run. I guess true freedom would probably fall somewhere in the middle.
As for my opinion of the actor who should play Captain America, let me put it this way. When I hear a sentence with the words: Cap-movie-actor, forgive me if my mind doesn't think about the actors in hollywood. To be quite honest, they're the furthest thing from it.
I have also often wondered, are fans of comics/super heroes Matt Damon and Ben Affleck fans? Or fans of actors that women wet their pants over? In my experience, no. But I could really use some input on this one. That is the reason I rented Daredevil instead of paying the theater price.
I really don't have a political idealology unless absolute freedom for all is considered to be one. I honestly believe the hardcore liberals and conservatives only want things their way. It seems they are trying to divide us. Or, maybe I'm wrong.
I also probably should not have made the assumption that people are as laid back as I am. That was obviously a mistake. I just happen to be a person who can't get excited about any political party as in my opinion, they're only trying to screw me out of my hard earned money. I am suspicious of our leaders and trust any of them as far as I can throw them.
After an election do things really change at all? I don't think so. Democrat, Republican, it still seems the same after the election is over. I'm the guy at work who is stuck in the middle. There are hardcores on either side and when there side doesn't win, it's the end of the world. When their side does win, it's a freakin' utopia. I sit there and wonder: "What in the hell is really different?"
I'll say again, I think true patriotism is about the good of the nation and it's people. Not about a political party.
I hope this helps.
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And for what it's worth. I saw Damon go off on Jimmy Kimmel and I thought it was cool. Kimmel is jerk and he had it coming. If Damon would have socked him one, it would have been mega-cool. But, there is nothing like a good cursing out to get your point across.
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Ted Nugent is a pretty cool singer. I first heard his music on Miami Vice back in the 80's. My favorite tune of his is "Angry Young Man".
I'm not sure I would call him too conservative just a different type of conservatism. The in your face kind of personality that wouldn't make a good Cap.
I imagine Cap to be more of a elegant speaker like our founding fathers. When I was a kid I remember reading some of Cap's mini speeches and they sounded a lot like Ronald Reagan sound bytes.
In a movie or in the comic book, you don't want Cap to come out and say he supports voting for one guy over another in fear of alienating fans, but I think it's easy to have Cap proclaim basic principles that only way out radical liberals would disagree with. You know the ones that are out hugging trees while smoking a joint, with a pro-commie sign in the other hand while listening to "Dust in the wind". Those guys are too far out of touch with reality and it does appear sometimes that Hollywood caters to that crowd. I guess because California is where that whole mess started.
But anyways I always say it's about right vs wrong not Republican vs Democrat. I love hearing Cap say things like what he said fighting Onslaught recently in this page.
It's perfect Cap dialogue from the whole "why is there always a madman picking on women and children to "This flag has been a symbol of hope around the world" Just what a patriotic man from the 1940's would say.
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Ted Nugent is a pretty cool singer. I first heard his music on Miami Vice back in the 80's. My favorite tune of his is "Angry Young Man". Seen him concert several times, once he opened for KISS. What a great show.
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I'm not sure I would call him too conservative just a different type of conservatism. The in your face kind of personality that wouldn't make a good Cap. I agree. But that different conservatism would not be a Cap quality methinks.
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I imagine Cap to be more of a elegant speaker like our founding fathers. When I was a kid I remember reading some of Cap's mini speeches and they sounded a lot like Ronald Reagan sound bytes. I can see that. Giving speaches that would inspire all. I forsee alot of complaining if certain members of the audience can link Caps speeches to Ronald Reagans speeches. And I bet you know of some people's opinion of Uncle Ronnie.
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In a movie or in the comic book, you don't want Cap to come out and say he supports voting for one guy over another in fear of alienating fans That is why I express concern about a known actor playing him. It's like the first Superman, Richard Donner said no one would believe Robert Redford could fly.
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but I think it's easy to have Cap proclaim basic principles that only way out radical liberals would disagree with. You know the ones that are out hugging trees while smoking a joint, with a pro-commie sign in the other hand while listening to "Dust in the wind". Those guys are too far out of touch with reality and it does appear sometimes that Hollywood does tend to cater to that crowd. A good point. The movie would be coming out of Hollywood which does cater to this crowd, and I can see those types complaining and calling Cap a fascist.
I do like "Dust in the Wind" though.
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I guess because California is where that whole mess started. Just really laid back in California.
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It's perfect Cap dialogue from the whole "why is there always a madman picking on women and children to "This flag has been a symbol of hope around the world" Just what a patriotic man from the 1940's would say.
I just worry about this movie because of today's political climate. Will people today understand a soldier from the 1940's? Will the director make a PC Cap or something worse? *shudder*
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I do like "Dust in the Wind" though.
Don't tell anybody but I do too. I actually like all that old hippy crap  music from the 60's. You wouldn't catch me wearing a flower power search for your life though.
My favorites are all those old songs you hear on Vietnam war movies like Jimi Hendrix, The Stones, etc. The Doors are pretty cool too, but I doubt politically I would have had much in common with these guys.
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I just worry about this movie because of today's political climate. Will people today understand a soldier from the 1940's? Will the director make a PC Cap or something worse? *shudder*
That's always a fear, but let's hope we get somebody truly brave by Hollywood standards and hope they create a Cap that most Americans can stand behind without getting that really sick feeling in the pit of your stomache. That's the feeling I get when I hear liberal politics usually.
If they just focus on a honest portrayal of a guy from the 40's who loves America and they try to steer clear of politics in general I think it will be a big hit. Most Americans see themselves as patriots anyway so all they have to do is focus on what makes America great. Include all the points that everyone likes about America and avoid the liberal tendency to blast some aspect of America as a whole.
This needs to be the kind of movie that puts a smile on the audience and makes them feel good about themselves as Americans. Hollywood puts out enough negative liberal crap. It's time for a feel good superhero movie. That's why Spider-Man did so well. It was a great adventure with a wholesome feel to it that you could take your kids to see without feeling like you just got suckered into paying to have your family liberalized.
Superman Returns failed in that they tried to seperate Superman from America to a small degree letting it slip that they intentionally left out the "American Way" part of Superman's slogan while in Spider-Man we see old Spidey webslinging next to the flag as if to say he's an unashamedly part of Americana.
Superman Returns although a good movie overall failed to live up to it's true potential. It was just too dark when it should have been fun. Thankfully, though it didn't flop like Superman 4 which was just too silly.
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Superman Returns failed in that they tried to seperate Superman from America to a small degree letting it slip that they intentionally left out the "American Way" part of Superman's slogan while in Spider-Man we see old Spidey webslinging next to the flag as if to say he's an unashamedly part of Americana. I was really upset that Perry White said: "Truth, Justice, all that stuff. Remeber when Reeve said: "Truth, Justice and the American way."
That was so cool.
The end of Spiderman was great too! Clinging to the flagpole, then web-swinging at us with old glory in the backround. Absolutely a stand-up-and-salute moment.
When I walk out of Captain America, I want to be beaming with pride.
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That's exactly what Captain America should deliver.
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Wow, miss a little, miss a lot.
Corporal, I was ready to lay out another sprawling e-mail to counter your last one, but really not looking forward to it. I think Tim made a good point somewhere up there- its fun in a way to go to the mat with these ideas, but after everything else that goes on in a day, its hard to sum up the energy to be spiteful and indignant when the conversation takes a wrong turn. Occasionally we have a golden moment when politics come up on this board, but we also spend a lot of time bitching and driving off people not interested in more political war. I'm totally down with debating this stuff in the political forum, and may do so soon if time allows, this time with a different tone.
I'm thrilled that you took the time to be even-handed and clarify what you meant. I accept the handshake. I even agree with you.
I don't think Cap should portrayed with a political agenda either. If it is possible, I agree that the actor should be 100% neutral. Matt Damon doesn't fit the bill for me either, I just didn't want a liberal bashing session. Since reading your clarified point- I can see where you're coming from on this.
Given all that, this really is an opportunity for an unknown actor to make his name. Christopher Reeve was of course stuck in that cape, but I'm sure he would have been the first to point out this was actually a great thing.
At the end of the day the Donner "Superman" was just a movie, but it did something for America. It helped form a positive American identity and remind us in a very accessible way who we are collectively- powerful but kind. The fact that Reeve WAS such a likable, decent seeming guy went a long way toward helping America feel good about itself again after some pretty hard knocks.
I think a good Cap movie with a charismatic, decent guy in the role could go a long way toward the same thing. Lord knows we need it now.
So I do hope they find some poor mook out there who really embodies the character for our country when we need some direction.
I'd still love to have the conversation sometime about how all is really not lost in modern politics. Yeah, I'm a Democrat but I honestly could go on for hours about how both parties have let us down since around the time Kennedy was shot. (I won't now, having already done so at lunch.) Thing is though, there really have been some bright spots, and what probably COULD have happened had we not had a system of such give and take is much, much worse. If I get this mountain of work done tonight and I'm still standing, I might post on this in the political forum.
Again, thanks for lighting the peace pipe. No Tim, not that pipe!
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When I walk out of Captain America, I want to be beaming with pride.
Same here man.
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but we also spend a lot of time bitching and driving off people not interested in more political war. I respect that you admit that. As other members of other boards (spacebattles) due not have the fortitude to do so and do drive people off with their know it all attitudes.
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I'm totally down with debating this stuff in the political forum, and may do so soon if time allows, this time with a different tone. That would probably be an insightful debate. However, as I state in my last post, many people consider my views wish-washy since I hover along the poticical line and not the best canidate for debate.
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I'm thrilled that you took the time to be even-handed and clarify what you meant. I accept the handshake. I even agree with you. Again, very, very big of you. In my experience, you are the first person i have ever seen on a message board to have the fortitude to do this. Even after my harsh words earlier. For those, I apologize. After past experiences, my shields go up and my phasers get amrmed. Thank you.
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I don't think Cap should portrayed with a political agenda either. If it is possible, I agree that the actor should be 100% neutral. Matt Damon doesn't fit the bill for me either I think most famous people wouldn't seeing as they have some sort of agenda. On both sides of the political spectrum.
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I just didn't want a liberal bashing session. I understand. I'll try and be more specific next time. And do you think that famous liberals and conservatives have hijacked the terms a changed the views so they have lost their meaning?
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Given all that, this really is an opportunity for an unknown actor to make his name. Christopher Reeve was of course stuck in that cape, but I'm sure he would have been the first to point out this was actually a great thing. I think it was (not Superman 3 and 4  ). I saw Superman when I was 6 in 1978 and I am still blown away. He brought Superman to life and I'll never forget it. I have on my Christopher Reeve Foundation dog tags. God rest his soul.
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At the end of the day the Donner "Superman" was just a movie, but it did something for America. It helped form a positive American identity and remind us in a very accessible way who we are collectively- powerful but kind.The fact that Reeve WAS such a likable, decent seeming guy went a long way toward helping America feel good about itself again after some pretty hard knocks. Indeed, it was good to have Superman and Star Wars come out right after the Vietman War. I think the nation neede some feel good stuff.
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I think a good Cap movie with a charismatic, decent guy in the role could go a long way toward the same thing. Lord knows we need it now. I agree completely. Imagine if a Cap movie could unite the nation. Well...I guess that's kind of dream for a movie. We do need it, absolutely.
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So I do hope they find some poor mook out there who really embodies the character for our country when we need some direction. *puts hand to ear* I can hear our National Anthem.
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I'd still love to have the conversation sometime about how all is really not lost in modern politics. I would appreciate that as I have become very cynical of our leaders. Maybe you could get this grumpy old bastard out of his rut.
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Yeah, I'm a Democrat but I honestly could go on for hours about how both parties have let us down since around the time Kennedy was shot. (I won't now, having already done so at lunch.) At least you chose a party and at least you care. I do not have the ability to these days. That puts you a step above me.
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Thing is though, there really have been some bright spots, and what probably COULD have happened had we not had a system of such give and take is much, much worse. There have been good things which I should focus on and not the negative stuff.
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Again, thanks for lighting the peace pipe. And thank you for being a big enough person to accept it. This is definatly a first for the internet!
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| Posted: 23 Jan 2007 17:08 Last Edited By: Tim |
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Coolness, now what do we argue about?
Kidding.
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Hello,
Just joined the board. As far as the movie is concerned. An unkonown should definitely play Cap! More importantly, Marvel should respect the fan base like they did with Spiderman and make the movie like the comic and not screw it up like they did with the Salinger film in the '80's. 'Nuff said.
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Very well put Berniep 
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Welcome to the board Berniep!
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Hello,
Just joined the board. As far as the movie is concerned. An unkonown should definitely play Cap! More importantly, Marvel should respect the fan base like they did with Spiderman and make the movie like the comic and not screw it up like they did with the Salinger film in the '80's. 'Nuff said.
Bernie Hello to you. How are you? Glad to have you aboard.
Yes, let's hope they respect the fan base and not deviate too far from the source material.
The Salinger Cap movie was from 1990 but I agree, we need a Cap movie not in the 'B' grade.
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Matt Damon plays as a guy on the run, against the Goverment, while they track him down in The Bourne series. Damon is more focused on Hit and Run movies.
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