| Posted: 14 Jun 2009 10:12 Last Edited By: PS Schmucker |
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Thanks to "EvilDocFaustus" who gave the heads up about this over here....
http://www.captain-america.us/messageboard/article727.htm
It's an ad for Captain America REBORN #1 on the back of a Marvel Digital online Comic book.....
              
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| Posted: 14 Jun 2009 10:32 |
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As of right now (saturday night), that address on the bottom...
www.marvel.com/reborn
doesn't seem to work yet.
Is it Steve Rogers or Commie Smasher 50's Cap!?!
They said this was going to hit the media, so it has to be Steve as that would be really big news.
Wow, I'm excited!!
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| Posted: 14 Jun 2009 17:26 Last Edited By: Stars and Stripes |
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Me too! Its about time Steve came back. We've gone too long without him.
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| Posted: 14 Jun 2009 18:34 |
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That cover has just Blown me away!!!
I found something else that might just tie in with this nicely. It's a sneak peek of Cap #600 over at Comic Book Resources it a lengthy interview with Joe Quesada and has 10 panels of Cap 600, all with captions and not the standard pages we've seen so far. Here's the link:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21573
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I forgot to include, looking at the second page of artwork where Steve and Bucky are caught in the explosion, it looks like Steve got pretty ripped up from debris & shrapnel. The panel under we see him lying on the cot in front of the Avengers with what appears to be dried blood all over him. Could this be that while the super soldier serum placed him in suspended animation and then took over and healed what were probably fatal wounds? I've been sermising this idea ever since issue #25 as a way for him to survive the assasination.
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| Posted: 15 Jun 2009 14:18 |
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Yes Steve Rogers is back!!!! Just heard it on Fox and Friends and went to Marvel.com then here.
Hope this is handled right.
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| Posted: 15 Jun 2009 18:03 |
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Fox is talking about it? Cool!
Man today is a busy day for me, but all I want to do is sit back and watch the news & look for new Cap articles online.
Damn, not enough time in the day....today!
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| Posted: 15 Jun 2009 22:53 Last Edited By: Pole805 |
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That's right take a look:
http://comics.ign.com/articles/994/994682p1.html
Quote: That's right, ladies and gents, Steve Rogers is set to return to the Marvel Universe once again.
Here's some of the interview (I pulled out the stuff that seemed interesting):
Quote: IGN Comics: Tom, let's start with the basic concept of Captain America Reborn. Fans know the series is obviously about the return of Steve Rogers. What else are you able to say about the project at this point?
Tom Brevoort: Well… -laughs- It's written by Ed Brubaker with art by Bryan Hitch and Butch Guice. It's five issues. It comes out July 1. And the first seeds for it are in Captain America #600, which is on sale today.
IGN Comics: Okay, cool. You mentioned both Bryan Hitch and Butch Guice. What's the artistic structure for the project then? Are they alternating issues or do they weave their styles throughout the mini-series?
Brevoort: Well Butch is inking Hitch. But there's the understanding that if Bryan were to fall behind, then Butch could step in and do some penciling as well. So he gives us a certain amount of security that the issues can come out when they need to come out. But assuming everything goes to plan, he's there to ink and embellish everything that Bryan is doing. It's been a pretty successful combination.
IGN Comics: I wanted to get into the planning of Steve's return. It's my understanding that this had been planned since his death, correct?
Brevoort: Yes.
IGN Comics: Did you guys always have this planned to start after about 25 issues or was it more flexible than that?
Brevoort: Oh, not at all. Not at all. In fact, not to cast things onto him, but I think Ed was so fearful of going into this segment, to run the book without the lead character, that initially Ed was saying, "Oh, yeah, I'll bring him back by issue #30." And we all kind of smiled and went along for the moment and let him have his fantasies, knowing and hoping that this would be a much bigger deal and that we wouldn't be able to do it that quickly.
But the exact timing has sort of been fluid as things went along. It just seemed like the time is right, that the amount of time that has gone by has been sufficient to make this all work. But the specifics of how, why and where Steve is – all of that was set up, not only in Captain America #25, but even before that. So this has been a piece that has been building since about 2006. It's always just been a question of when we're moving into that phase of the story. Certainly people reacted much more positively to the idea of a Captain America series without Captain America than Ed had thought at first. Certainly everyone… well, most people, have embraced Bucky Barnes as Captain America as well. So there hasn't been any particular rush to get to this point, but we always knew we'd hit it sooner or later.
Quote: IGN Comics: So I guess that brings up the question… you know, Bucky has been so well-received by the fans… was there ever the thought that Steve is better off dead?
Brevoort: Um, no, no serious thought. This was the plan all along. The setup was all there. Once you get through Reborn, you'll say, "Oh, that was such and such sequence from this issue. And that's what that was about. There's that piece over there."
The most we would have done was extend the term of Bucky's Cap-hood. But inevitably, eventually we were always going to get to where we are going now. That being said, there's nothing that necessarily says that there isn't room enough for two Captain Americas – or even that Steve will come back and be Captain America. There's plenty of story left to be told and it doesn't mean that we're going to be strapping Bucky to a flying bomb or anything.
Quote: IGN Comics: Captain America #600 lays on the hints pretty thick. I mean there are repeated instances where the characters almost flat-out tell the reader "you don't know what happened." Before that it seemed like you guys were avoiding laying out too many hints. Was that an effort to keep people focused on Bucky rather than having them continuously thinking about Steve?
Brevoort: Definitely so. Ultimately we did our groundwork in Captain America #25 and earlier. Though every time we get back to Sharon, we see stuff. And there have been times over the course of the past year and a half that have maybe been clues that people haven't really realized. But when we got to the point where Bucky was Captain America, our mission statement became "make him Captain America." Make people love him as Captain America. Make people invested in him. And that's definitely a tough thing to do if not only the shadow of Steve as a figure is looming over him, but the figure of Steve as a guy knocking on the door, returning any time now, is also there.
That being said, Ed's been very diligent about dropping bits of information and the seeds and dots to build the story where it needs to go next. And that's been all during that period. Once you get into Reborn #1, and beyond, you'll start to see the pattern emerge. You'll start to say "Aha! That's what that was all about!"
Dark reign:
Quote: IGN Comics: Will we see Reborn reflecting Dark Reign? Will Norman Osborn have a heavy influence on the storyline?
Brevoort: Umm, I wouldn't say a heavy influence, but there's definitely an influence. Reborn happens now. It happens today. So Norman plays a role. You'll see the Dark Avengers. You'll see some of the Mighty Avengers. You'll see Dr. Doom. There will be a wide range of characters during the course of Reborn. So yeah, Norman is running the show and he and his guys will play a role.
IGN Comics: In terms of impacting other titles, will it be once Reborn concludes we'll see other books reflect that story or will we start to see an immediate impact throughout other books?
Brevoort: Well there are no tie-ins to Reborn. Through the course of those five issues, that will be entirely in Reborn. Throughout that you'll see impact on various characters, but it's really once Reborn is over that you'll see those effects wider in the Marvel Universe.
Read the article!!!
http://comics.ign.com/articles/994/994682p1.html
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Also check out this:
http://marvel.com/reborn
Official site for "Reborn"
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I missed the Fox and Friends mention! Pooh! I couldn't be more pleased at Steve Rogers return!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ya ta hay!!!!!!! Ya ta hay!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I can say my excitement has been dampened if Captain America #600 I just picked up and read is any indication. SPOILERS BELOW..... DON'T READ FURTHER IF YOU DON"T WANT IT SPOILED.....
Disappointed.. I hate to say it, but, even Brubaker in this series of short stories and a reprint of a Golden Age Cap story, seems to have been 'infulenced' what is a 'PC' or 'Re-Imagining' of who Cap is starting with adding now, offically, the Isaiah 'Truth' plotline into the continuity. The last Brubaker short story which will lead into 'Reborn' has the Green Goblin/Osborn flying into a rally honoring Caps 1 year anniversary, in where else Central Park, of his death. Osborn tells the crowd not to believe what the 'LEFT' has been saying about his opposition to the rally and that he indeed honors Steve Rogers and adds cynically, why do you think I wear these colors. Then Simon and Garfunkel is said to be introduced by one of the 'New' Avengers, Bucky, etc,... who attending the rally incognito. What appears to be Luke Cage telling Hawkeye/Barton what is he complaining about he has to listen 'white boys' and folk music for an hour.. double Then onto a story written by Mark Waid, about someone whose daddy died and left him a comic company wanting to buy Cap memorabilia and make a comc showing Cap as a Traitor, while we see panels of an aging WW 2 vet bidding and a ponytailed/Hippy Couple who bid on a 'Peace' Flag Cap once had at a 'peace' rally? triple : It all ends with this guy who wants to publish some 'traitor' cap comic having the door slammed in his face from someone who has taken over the company.. with some convulated logic about 'Freedom of Speech.' The only highlight of that story is Tony Stark buying Caps Avengers ID, thought he was on the run? Then we get the reprint story, Skull, WW 2.. Wow, $4.99 and pretty bad. I also just read an online interview with MARVEL editor Brevoort in which he says something to the effect of Cap being killed at a time the nation was losing 'hope' and bringing him back now with the new 'optimism.' The funny thing is Brubaker, in the same article above says the storyline was where he wanted to go since the first issue, years ago. I may have spoken too soon about being optimistic, the most surprising is Brubaker, who till now, has been pretty consistently good.
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i think it is awesome that Captain America is coming back, i can't wait to get the book.
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Man. Talk about making my DAY! I'm so happy about this!
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Am I the only person who thinks this is a bad idea? This is way to early to bring him back. Bucky has barely had a chance to do his thing as Captain America. He was in like 3 pages of Secret Invasion and a few issues of New Avengers and then they do this. This is just to pull all you back in so they can bring back mediocre stories that are about as interesting as drying paint. His death means nothing now and nobody will ever reference the "where were you when Cap died?". This cheapens the character terribly. People will start making Phoenix (Jean Grey) references soon. Now what is Bucky gonna do? I guess going back to being side-kick and supporting cast. Make a Winter Soldier title so we can get some interesting read.
Keep Bucky as Captain America with Steve as a SHIELD agent or something. I guess I will go back to reading Thor and Deadpool. Seem to be the only books worth reading lately. __________________"--When the mob and the Press and the whole WORLD tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth and tell the whole world 'No you move'."
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Cap Fans,
I think this is a great time to bring him back, it may be only a yr in comic world but its been over 2 in the real world. Cap coming back does not mean he will be picking up his shield right away. We will have 5 issues of the MS just to bring him back, then what will Hammer or Bad Cap think. Anyway, I thought issue 600 was very good not great but good. It does advance the story but a little slow for such a big issue. Also I believe Marvel should publish Cap book suring the MS run. We could have had some "untold stories" of the other men who wore the uniform but alas Marvel thinks otherwise.
All in all, it is a good day to be a Cap fan
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Well, I guess it's cool. I really liked Bucky Cap, and I liked that in the interview they make the point that this is steve rogers return, not necessarily steve rogers return as Cap.
I'm still hoping to see some resolution to the SRII story line, and to me that's the most disapointing aspect of all this. You set up SRII give the idea that he's going to impersonate the Original Steve, and then pop here comes Steve Rogers, kind of stepping on that story.
In many ways I'm kind of getting the feeling that Marvel is copping out to a lot of old school fans on a lot of things.
I personally had high hopes for a twist in the story of Norman Osborn (Maybe he really was going to be doing good in his role) and maybe SRII or Bucky could rise to the challenge of being the real Cap in this new Darker world.
But now, Osborn's just another rubber mask wearing villian to be taken down, and Steve Rogers is back, and no one is likely going to be Cap except him.
Sure we could get a good story out of this somewhere, but really it sounds like it's just back to the same old same old, and really, I read those stories 20 years ago. How about just once, something new and differnt happens?
I know it's blasphemy, but I really had hopes for Brubaker...oh well.
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| Posted: 17 Jun 2009 18:22 Last Edited By: pingclang |
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I can`t believe people are complaining about this. These books haven`t even come out yet and people are already saying they don`t want to read it. I didn`t want to see Cap die, but he did and I enjoyed the story a whole lot. I didn`t want Bucky to be Cap, he didn`t deserve it, but he was and I enjoyed seeing it. These are the same people who, a couple months back, were squalling about it being time for a come back. It`s time for Steve`s return, whatever he may do. I hope he takes back over, but who knows what he`ll do. I`m sorry to you huge Bucky Cap fans but I think he isn`t the real deal and Rogers should retake his title. To me the Bucky thing is almost like Eddie Brock took over as Spider-man if Parker died, just weird. Everyone`s got an opinion and if you like Bucky feel free to curse me, I thrive in the opposition, but understand folks, the big mans coming back, and if someone had me killed and I was brought back, I dunno, Steve`s better than me, but I think any normal man would be looking for vengeance. Lets hope. Anywho. Thanks for a good debate.
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| Posted: 17 Jun 2009 18:42 Last Edited By: JamesOnly |
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I think this is great. Brubaker and crew have done a magnificent job at letting this story build and they've also claimed that this was in the works since issue 1. I honestly dont' think we're going to get Steve Rogers back in the mantle as Captain America just yet. I think he will be in this parrallel for awhile before coming back.
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I agreed with shieldbearer, way too early to bring Cap back, and I always wanted Cap's reborn to tie in with the Movie, ...but after thinking about it, it would be like 2 big Cap events competing with each other. So, ...
Just try to wrap up that Commie-Smashing Cap story, right now, it's Bucky Cap versus Bad Cap, like "There can only be one". With the original back, Bad Cap will return to that C-level evil-twin bad guy level.
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It's nice to see that Captain America will be back after such a long hiatus.
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Interesting posts. How about the story? Sharon used a hi-tech gadget instead of a real gun. It caused temporary nuetralization of the SSS. This caused Rogers to go into as close to real death as possible while waiting for the SSS to repair damage to the body. The Skull knew this and hoped Rogers would be buried (which he was, at sea) and come back to life BURIED ALIVE. Lack of oxygen and a dead Steve again. How many times would this happen while buried? What kind of endless hell would that be? Did Stark know anything? Did Fury know anything? The issue of Thor with Rogers coming back to speak with him and the references made about the afterlife all fit now. What did Sharon see coming out of the time platform? What does the cosmic cube in the Avengers / Invaders final issue have to do with this all? If they hack this story now, man what a clusterhump!
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Umm...Hey Captain Rogers....ever heard of a Spoiler Warning?
That's fine, I haven't read the story yet, but man that sounds like a really really really REALLY stupid explaination for "Steve is Dead".
Yeah, beacause Reed Richards and Toney STark two of the smartest men on the planet didn't check for any of this. Reed specificly since he kept the Thing alive after he was theoretically killed by Doom the last time for months while he built a contact the dead machine based on Doom's design from fourty years ago. Not to mention the fact that, there wouldn't have been a fatal gunshot wound, which should have sent up a bunch of red flags. And hey, what about an autopsy? They cut MVP to ribbons but Cap, oh don't worry about that, just drop him in the arctic, no problems.
Really, that explaination just makes exactly 0 sense.
It's nice to have steve back, but I would have been more impressed if the beyonder had pulled him from the time stream (like he did with doom after he died) for yet another secret war.
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Oh Wait, Captain Rogers...I appologize, is this your theory or is that what you read? I'm sorry, I'm just a little on edge about this whole nonesense.
What ever the story is, it better be very good. You know when they brought back Jean Grey, that story made sense, as did Bucky, in the sense that the body switch took place off screen (or in Bucky's case we just assumed he died since no body was ever found), but in this case we have Steve's Body, we have Stark examining the body. You need something really profound to explain away Cap's death, not just trickery.
I guess you coudl say the autopsy doctor was a faustus client too (but that would have shown up when they ran all the Shield Agents who met with him). It's all just way too far reaching a conspiracy to be, oh we burried steve even though he was still alive, and we all somehow missed that.
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Yikes!
You are right about the spoiler alert thing. My apologies to all. I did not say that Steve did not receive fatal (for normal humans) gunshot wounds. I do think that one of the shots (at least) was a type of physiological inhibitor meant for Steve's unique enhanced physiology. This is what Sharon remembers and that Stark, etc. were not able to detect. I do think it possible to the storyline that those involved with the autopsy and burial were not 100% convinced that the icewater treatment would not simulate the first cryogenic suspension and regeneration of Steve. Maybe there are monitors of some type in that special coffin dropped in the water by Namor. Rogers telling Thor about sensing cold and darkness, when he was summoned in that recent Thor issue, supports his physical bodys location. Also, the Sentry was given his powers by a version of the SSS that was apparently off the charts power wise. Osborn and crew watched Morgana Lefey wipe Sentry from existence only for him to return from apparent death and scaring the hell out of Osborn and crew. If Sentry can do that and not understand it or feel a thing, why not the weaker version of the SSS in Steve doing the same thing but, much slower? A dose of immortality courtesy of the science of man. Any better notions out there then share them. I am curious about how this will all make sense in the upcoming story.
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Actually I probably over reacted on this whole thing. I'm really torn on the whole Cap coming back thing, firstly because I do think it's too soon, even with the idea of Cap in suspended animation (which I was happy to go along with) it took twenty years for his body to get back to shape, and even then he had memory lapses (he didn't recognize namor even though they had met in wwII) and wasn't quite at the level he eventually got to.
I guess from my point of view, I didn't need a SSS supressor, just a good couple shots to the gut, a near death like state, and then the slow arduous task of rebuilding the body once in suspended animation.
I think the plan as laid out is a little circuitous even for a super villain, and ranks up there with "let's shoot the hulk into space, because there's no change he'll ever come back angry" on the list or bad ideas to do with your enemy.
I guess that's because he wanted to body for the switch, though why a clone wouldn't suffice I don't know.
I guess in my heart of hearts I think to make steve's return work people in the Marvel Universe would have to start to forget about Steve. Making his reurn occur so soon after his death, and then to make his whole death an orchestrated falicy, well it just frosts my knockers a bit. Having him return early, is fine in the grand scheme of things, but having him never actually ever really been dead, well that just kind of makes the whole thing seem like a big publicity stunt. Which I guess I should have known, but still it grates a little.
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I must have come to the wrong site. I thought this was the "Captain America" message board and not the message board where the lyrics for ZZ Top's Manic Mechanic get paraphrased as a Bucky Barnes analogy.
I keep expecting to read here someone suggesting the "Star Spangled Banner" should be killed off and replaced by some current Hip-Hop song, 'cause it's only timeless and not timely. Although I could go for some Timely Comics and a Grand Chimay about now!
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Bucky is the best thing to happen to Captain America probably in the last 20 years or more. The Marvel Civil War was the only thing breathing new life into the staleness of Captain America. Marvel realized quite some time ago that Cap needed to do something drastic or he would quickly go down the "Cancelled" line of marvel titles like the Punisher or Ghostrider (who rotate in and out by the number of volumes out). The success of the Marvel Civil War brought Captain America out of the darkness the book was wallowing in. Lets not forget how lame the Avengers were just prior to their "Disassembled" arc (Captain America included). Can you say that any of those issues in the late 90s were any of your favorites? Most likely NOT.
It took the "New" Avengers to have people even care about the old and dusty World's Mightiest Heroes and look at how many titles they have out now? They compete with the likes of the Uncanny X-men nowadays which has been a dominate title since the 80s. Lets not forget that Marvel was going bankrupt in the late 90s do to some of the crappiest writers of our time.
Anyhow, I have a feeling the Marvel Universe won't shake and rumble over Captain America returning to the scene. More likely his presence will be as exciting as "respawning" (reference to videogame resurrections.) Deaths with quick resurrections are about as exciting as cloning Spider-man (and look how well that turned out in the 90s).
My point being, either don't kill characters off or leave 'em dead otherwise it cheapens the drama of being killed off in the first place. Could you imagine how boring life would be if nobody died?
If a character is miraculously resurrected leave some time so that people will miss the character or you are wasting your time. Seems these days all these characters are ending up as cardboard cut outs of Wolverine and are unkillable with unchecked regeneration or maybe they are like Dracula in the Castlevania games where he just keeps coming back every single game. Either way we as readers just care less and less to the point we go and read something else. __________________"--When the mob and the Press and the whole WORLD tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth and tell the whole world 'No you move'."
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Wizard had an interesting interview with Ed Brubaker on Cap this past week. Here's the link:
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/061609brubabkercap600.html
Enjoy!
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Maybe a spoiler, then again I thought the new girl Bucky was going to be Nomad's kid,...
Back in the Gruenwald books, Zola had this creature called Primus, it created bodies of Skull, Crossbone, etc. Even made Cap, Iron man and Thor to break the Skull out of a German war crime trial. My theory is it took over Caps body, managed to fool the super brains (Zola himself is a super brain, clones of Hitler etc), and that time machine thing was to bring Cap to the Skull so he can take over his body (Did it before with the cosmic cube).
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Hey Capfans!
I've been reading Cap since the '60s. I'd like to throw my 2 cents in if I may:
I'm guessing they'll bring back Cap with a substantial memory loss. He'll be Cap but have huge gaping holes in his memory so Cap can be "refit" and modernized.
The politics and morays that created him are, today, seen as antiquated and even possibly, part of the problem (add to that nearly 50 years of barnacles on the characters hull) and makes it difficult to write him as a the relevant hero he is.
It's not about nazi's and commies any more, it's terrorist cells and corporate ruin these days ( I hate it that reading my comics is only slightly better than watching CNN).
I'm old school and I'm probably one of the few who doesn't care for the current Cap. No disrespect to those that do. __________________Thanks for listening and thank you Joe and Jack
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