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Hooray! I just hate having the integrity of the book destroyed. I will have to go onto the Marvel site.
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| Posted: 11 Sep 2008 12:00 |
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I STILL do not see where they haven't tampered with the so called INTEGRITY of the Sgt Fury and Nick Fury Agent of Shield books. I admit Sam Jackson is an outstanding actor but his Nick Fury is as outrageous as Will Smith's take on Jim West in the movie of the TV show The Wild, Wild West. George Clooney would make an excellent Nick Fury.
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| Posted: 11 Sep 2008 14:51 |
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I never said I was okay with the casting of Nick Fury. In fact, I didn't see it because of that very fact! I refused to see Wild Wild West, again because the integrity of the piece was compromised. As far as Captain America is concerned in WW II, it had a huge impact because as a blonde haired, blue eyed, peak of physical perfection man he fought against everything Hitler stood for, all the while looking like the ideal of the 'Aryan' race. THAT is part of the integrity of the book that recasting for PC reasons cannot work.
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| Posted: 11 Sep 2008 22:54 Last Edited By: Stars and Stripes |
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George Clooney would make an excellent Nick Fury.
Heck no!
But I do think that the casting of Samuel L. Jackson completely changes the character of Nick Fury for the movie. Not just because of the color of his skin, I just can't see the Nick Fury that I know in Sam Jackson. Although I do believe that Jackson will play his version of Fury well, he just won't be the same cigar-smoking, tough-talking fighting machine that he was in the original comics.
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| Posted: 12 Sep 2008 19:09 |
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I just read that Marvel debunked the Will Smith rumor.
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What's wrong with a black Cap? I mean they did that to Nick Fury and everyone seems to have no problem.
Yeah, but here's the difference: Black Nick Fury is part of the Ultimates, a modernization of the Avengers.
He (Nick Fury), is based off Sam Jackson, who is now going to be playing him in future movies.
Nick is also just a soldier, skilled yes, lucky yes, a super-soldier? No.
Cap is a patriotic lad from the 40s who, through chance, was given the ability to become an icon. Sadly, in the 1940s, there wasn't much drive to make a black man the symbol of the strongest nation in the world. Cap's no racist, but some of the Administration might have been.
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"It takes a Skywalker to f--k up the galaxy" -Seamus Lowell
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| Posted: 12 Sep 2008 19:20 |
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Here's the real question: Who does a better Fury? The Hoff, or SLJ?
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| Posted: 12 Sep 2008 22:37 |
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The Hoff does, hand down. He was just handed a crappy script for that BAD Fury film.
Oh yeah and Marvel did do a " Modernization " of Cap in 2003 with Isaiah Bradley in the limited series TRUTH: Red, White & Black. Unlike the Ultimates this is in the mainstream Marvel history.He is the grandfather of Young Avengers the Patriot who also carries a version of Cap's crest-shaped shield.
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| Posted: 14 Sep 2008 23:57 |
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Glad to hear it, Having just got up to speed and have now read the whole 41 issue's of the latest Cap series I am even more of the opinion that (for the movie at the very least) Cap must equal Steve Rogers.
Simple fact he is white, I would not want to see a possible Black Panther film and it turns out that they have a white actor playing T'challa! WRONG!
Whilst some tampering can work (Nick Fury for example) such core aspects must and need to remain.
To also add, after voicing (indeed, on this very forum) some less than positive views about the whole Bucky is now Cap and got a gun subject, I must admit whilst I am still not happy with it the present story arc has got me interested. The costume tweak is not bad (still prefer the original) and at least we still have a Cap, so after the initial knee jerk of "How dare they..." I am prepared to give it a go for a little while longer..
By The way at the mo I am enjoying the very nice weather in Naples in Florida, so to any fellow forumites in Florida, Union Jack say's a big hello!
Take care all.
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But I do think that the casting of Samuel L. Jackson completely changes the character of Nick Fury for the movie. Not just because of the color of his skin, I just can't see the Nick Fury that I know in Sam Jackson. Although I do believe that Jackson will play his version of Fury well, he just won't be the same cigar-smoking, tough-talking fighting machine that he was in the original comics.
Amen to that Stars and Stripes!
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Oh yeah and Marvel did do a " Modernization " of Cap in 2003 with Isaiah Bradley in the limited series TRUTH: Red, White & Black. Unlike the Ultimates this is in the mainstream Marvel history.He is the grandfather of Young Avengers the Patriot who also carries a version of Cap's crest-shaped shield.
Did you read it? I did, solely on curiousity. Damn. I really felt bad after reading it.
It was one big guilt trip based around using black men as guinea pigs to test the serum.
Slavery was bad. Segregation? Bad. I GET it. It's a new millenium, quit beating the dead horse. You have the same rights now, your vote counts just like mine. Be proud that your country realized the error of it's ways instead of bemoaning something you didn't even deal with.
...unless you did, in which case I say "Thank you for your patience, sorry it didn't happen sooner."
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| Posted: 19 Sep 2008 02:31 |
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Steve fights alongside Isaiah Bradley in Volume 4.
It's pretty cool in a demension-spanning way.
Patriot's cool, but when he first meets Cap in Young Avengers, he's a pr-ck. Even going as far as to say that Cap's responsible for his Grandfather's Ill state.
If the Falcon could get over himself, Patriot should've too.
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Marvel did do a " Modernization " of Cap in 2003 with Isaiah Bradley in the limited series TRUTH: Red, White & Black
That's not Modernization!!! That's "People thinking it's relevant or improving the movie/book when a long established character, who is white, becomes an ethic, minority person".
As I remember, the Batman tv show in the mid 60s had Eartha Kitt, an African-American performer, replace Julie Newmar as Catwoman in the third season. At that time, it didn't matter, or to my knowledge, didn't raise a big fuss or shock the world. Then the 70s came and there was an explosion of black-exploitation movies, remember Shaft. And then the 80s came and the highest rated tv show that killed the action shows like A-team and Knightrider, the Cosby show.
Somehow, someway, something happened in the 90s to cause a thinking that African-Americans were not treated fairly in movies and books. I suspect that the media, which is always looking for new, fresh faces (To replace the jump the shark or jump the couch people and themes), were moving towards featuring other minority people (Mind you, this is North American media), Bend it like Beckham, Rumble in the Bronz, Marvel came out with an India version of Spiderman, Branston's Virgin comics had a lot of India myths and culture, cartoons went anima with Pokemon.
That mini series, Truth, was merely showing that it's possible that Cap could've been an African-American superhero, and also showed that Cap's not above some scandal or controversy. It also brought up the infamous 'bad blood experiments' in American history. In my view, I didn't like that 'cartoony' look and I really didn't like all that inaccuracy to the Cap's history (Reinstein shot at a podium, Truth is the first Captain America, yet Truth popped up after Pearl Harbor and the Steve Rogers Cap popped up nearly a year befor Pearl). Plus, I just can't see anything original about the Truth since the Falcon and Luke Cage are much more interesting characters.
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