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I think John Wayne as Fury. He's a more jump into things and Fury is that kind of character.
They just put off the movie for too long!
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| Posted: 14 Aug 2008 22:27 |
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Hey guys check out this sweet Cap picture i found!
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| Posted: 14 Aug 2008 23:06 |
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I always thought Kurt Russell would have made a good Nick Fury. We already know he plays a guy with an eye-patch well. (Escape from New York).
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Cool picture! Where did you find it?
Hey Kurt Russell would make a good Nick Fury! As much as David Hasselhoff did a good Knight Rider, he was abysmal as Nick Fury! They should have cast Kurt Russell in the film they did.
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| Posted: 15 Aug 2008 16:55 Last Edited By: Pole805 |
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Simple, I was looking for a Cap avatar so i searched on google images: Captain America Avatar, there it came up, here's the link:
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk264/live_rich/FINALJUSTICE.gif
Here's an avatar you one of you can use:
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| Posted: 15 Aug 2008 17:24 |
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Also, here's the link that gives you some FREE avatars:
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=69741
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| Posted: 15 Aug 2008 21:41 |
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Those are fab! Thanks!
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| Posted: 16 Aug 2008 16:48 |
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No prob'
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I always thought Kurt Russell would have made a good Nick Fury. Yeah, he would. I like Kurt Russell.
As for Hoff meister. He is good on Knight Rider, but his personality just isn't the Nick Fury type. Besides an actor can only do so much with a cheap budgeted film.
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I always liked and respected Charlton Heston. He was a good man.
He was...It's a real tragedy that we've lost him.
So no one like Tom Brady, huh? Good enough
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If the Bible says that theft is wrong, and I steal, theft is still wrong.
... I don't see the resemblance. "Thy shall not steal." is against the laws of both God and Man.
"Thy shall not bare false witness" is against the laws of God and (under oath) against the laws of man.
but the bible says "thy shall have no other god but me." and we STILL don't get arrested for synagogues, mosques, or temples. We still don't get arrested for having sex before marriage (long as both parties are legally consenting adults), nor do we suffer jail-time for divorce.
but I'm an open-minded guy, can you show me some proof that either in Federal, State, or World law pertaining to the United States of America and it's properties abroad...that it's ILLEGAL to have gay sex.
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Balh,blah,blah,blah, all I hear is B.S. Paul Walker? We can get way closer than that, trust me. Then by all means, tell us someone that CAN pull off the look, tell us someone that can unite a nation without alienating either liberal or Conservative viewpoint.
Mr. Heston was a very accomplished actor who stood by the NRA to promote the right at birth of every man woman and child to own a firearm, He promoted gun safety and maintenance courses. He was a national hero in the eyes of some.
...but as a Captain America? No. Too publicly conservative. If you're going to say the gay-lobby shouldn't represent Cap even as a straight man, you can't really justify putting the posterboy of the christian right in the position either, he alienates too many Americans the OTHER way.
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but as a Captain America? No. Too publicly conservative.
Being outspoken about his conservative and Christian beliefs was what made him fit for the role. One example: He stood by the NRA, the right to self defense. Is that not what Captain America was doing? He stood up for what he believed in...and the defense of his fellow Americans. He can also be considered as the traditional American. And no homo can be called traditional.
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I don't see the resemblance. "Thy shall not steal." is against the laws of both God and Man.
"Thy shall not bare false witness" is against the laws of God and (under oath) against the laws of man.
but the bible says "thy shall have no other god but me." and we STILL don't get arrested for synagogues, mosques, or temples. We still don't get arrested for having sex before marriage (long as both parties are legally consenting adults), nor do we suffer jail-time for divorce.
That's "bear false witness". In fact you really need to work on your spelling.
Synagogues at least nominally are the same God. Which means you need to work on your contextualization.
My argument was simply that if God forbids it then it's still wrong, regardless of whether the laws forbid it. After all in certain countries obedience to the law to "have no other gods before me" puts the Christian at risk of being imprisoned, tortured and murdered by the government. Of course those are countries run by atheists and they're not nice people.
As for the rest? So what?
Right and wrong cannot be defined by human beings. Wherever they are it usually ends up in the situation where might makes right. Which is probably why so many atheist regimes end up as bloodbaths.
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Guys, hold on a second. Just take a look at the last page of this thread. So many viewpoints, so many political takes, so many opinions. And you know what? They in and of themselves don't matter. It is the fact that we can have all of these diverse opinions and points of view and EXPRESS THEM FREELY that Cap stood up for. The actor has to be able to embody that element above all else, no matter what his own leanings are, and he has to make that sing above all else, above all the hubub and rhubarb. He has to make us forget that he is who he is, kinda like Heath Ledger did. It took me a few times seeing the movie before I really could see any bit of Mr. Ledger, instead of just the Joker. That's the kind of performance a Cap actor needs to turn in.
There was a storyline long before I got into comics (or maybe before I was even born) that had a third party nominate Cap for President. He declined because he said that it is not any one party's America that he represents, it is the idyllic America, what this country CAN and COULD be, not what it SHOULD be. Because as soon as you start saying "should," you start to dismiss other people's versions of "should," and that's never what Cap was about.
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Right and wrong certainly can be determined by human beings, as thousands of societies have done so before the bible or koran existed, as well as without those two books. And it's not like christian nations don't have their fair share of blood.
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Right and wrong certainly can be determined by human beings, as thousands of societies have done so before the bible or koran existed, as well as without those two books. And it's not like christian nations don't have their fair share of blood
I just want to say I disagree. That's it. All I got to say.
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It's a free country: You can disagree with facts.
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I guess I opened a can of worms with Charlton Heston, so I am going to pry it open a little wider. Sure, the national press harped on about the NRA, but did you know he walked beside Martin Luther King Jr, in the equal rights rallies? That is something that has gotten little or no press.
But putting all that aside, Captain America is such a complex character that you need someone with the scope and ability of Charlton Heston to bring it off. Whether he was playing in the Planet of the Apes films, Moses, Diamond Head (where he played a bigoted character totally opposite of his beliefs as witnessed by his marching with MLK), the list goes on and on, it wasn't his politics you saw on the screen but the CHARACTER he was playing. Whatever Heath Ledger's polical beliefs were, I had no idea nor did I care. The man's acting was phenomenal. He could have possibly done the role.
It is great to see all the opinions in these pages! It is something that Captain America could go for, the free expression of ideas!
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"I guess I opened a can of worms with Charlton Heston, so I am going to pry it open a little wider."
Actually, Estanatlehi (uh...how do you pronounce that?) I think I should take the blame for this one! This all seemed to lead from thing to another when I used him as an example as a respectable actor.
"but did you know he walked beside Martin Luther King Jr, in the equal rights rallies? That is something that has gotten little or no press."
I had to research on him for a newspaper, so I already know that. I also know that he started out as a Democrat, rather than Republican.
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It's pronounced just like it is spelled! 
When I mentioned Charlton Heston, I put him forward for the long and illustrious acting credentials he carried. His life with the NRA was nothing he put forward in his acting. The reason I put that part of his life forward is that I am part of another chat board on the tv series The Champions (it is an international group). His death was brought up and someone went off on only his work as an NRA supporter. They were totally surprised by his affiliation with MLK, but nowhere did the European press give that any mention in his history.
I think the debates that go on in these posts are great! I would say that 99% of the time people can differ but do so with courtesy! Isn't that the best thing about this country?
Don't ever stray from your beliefs, Stars and Stripes!!!!!!
Isn't that what we admire in Steve Rogers/Captain America???????
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Isn't that what we admire in Steve Rogers/Captain America???????
Rught on, Estanatlehi. It certainly is.
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By the way Stars and Stripes, I like your Audie Murphy picture!
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I was just reading the other day how George Clooney had made some sarcastic remark about Heston. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_clooney#Charlton_Heston_contr ...
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"The head of the NRA announced again today that he is suffering from Alzheimer's disease." (Heston had publicly announced his diagnosis the previous year.[48])
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When asked if the actor went too far with his remarks, Clooney responded by saying, "I don't care. Charlton Heston is the head of the National Rifle Association; he deserves whatever anyone says about him.
I was thinking to myself, how in the world could someone hate somebody else that bad just because they disagree on politics. It's sad really.
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It is. And somehow it comes more from that side of the aisle. Do you remember when Tony Snow died of cancer at the age of 53? The blogs from that side of the aisle were horribly vicious in their comments!
I may disagree with someone's take on the issues, as my adopted brother and sister (honourary) do, but I respect their beliefs as what they interpret on the issues. They respect that I am conservative by nature, and those are my beliefs. One can be passionate about issues without being hateful!
It seems ironic sometimes that those who call themselves "liberals" are far less tolerant and liberal of other people's beliefs than those who call themselves "conservatives".
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Yeah, I don't think you paid much attention when Ted Kennedy's tumor came to light: I saw plenty of froth from the right (see Anne Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage, just for starters).
It seems ironic that conservatives really are far less tolerant of peoples' beliefs than liberals, but if it comes back at them, cry like children with scrapped knees.
What a load of crap.
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What exactly was said about Ted Kennedy? I know I never said anything about the guy for being sick.
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The same kind of loathsome vitriol that was spewed about Tony Snow – and I know you didn't (not was I implying you did). For as much as we disagree, you do maintain at least a modicum of class with this kind of crap.
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When asked if the actor went too far with his remarks, Clooney responded by saying, "I don't care. Charlton Heston is the head of the National Rifle Association; he deserves whatever anyone says about him.
Yeah, and afterwards, Heston said that Clooney lacked class and that he felt sorry for him because he could get Alzeimer's disease just like anyone else.
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By the way Stars and Stripes, I like your Audie Murphy picture!
Thanks! I like it too.
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Ann Coulter and Michael Savage lost credibility a long time ago with me so I don't even acknowledge them. They are pretty far out there on that wing. Being formerly from 'assachusetts, I have no love whatsoever for Mr. Kennedy, but you don't wish that kind of illness on anyone!!!!!!!!!!!! Give me a respectful, intelligent debate on the ideas any day! None of that rubbish from either side is relevant, intelligent, or respectful!
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I agree, but when someone says one side deals it more than another, then that person is not being respectful or intelligent. And that's exactly what you did.
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I have just gone to all kinds of sites to get information from all sides, and that is just the volume I have gotten from all sources. I am an Independent so I'm not in love with either side of the aisle.
Good for your sticking to your views, and I will stick to mine.
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