Quote: Oh, God yes. Cap should absolutely uphold that part of the Declaration of Independence that says "all men are created equal unless they suck cock." I'm sure I read that in there somewhere.
I'm Laughing my straight ass off right now.
Quote: I can see the headlines now: "Marvel chooses gay Captain America"
Yup, just like "Gay director chooses openly gay actor to play 'man of Steel'." (Insert your own gay joke here.)
Fer cryin' out loud, who brought up such a worthless topic of sexual orientation? IT WON'T MATTER IN THE SLIGHTEST.
Diversity is the spice of life. Personally, I have no issue against any consenting adult participating in sexual congress with any other consenting adult, it ain't my problem.
UGH. Since we've already made this thread about lifestyle choices instead of who's best for the part asthetically, and skillwise, I'll address all the reasons I know why gays corrupt America.
1. "the bible says it's wrong/Sanctity of marriage"
True. It also says: polygammy, beastiality, divorce, sex before marriage, infidelity, incest, and lust (adultery of the soul) are sins against god. Sanctity went out the window with the Anglican church (no offense, do the research of the church's origin and you'll find that the "protector of the faith" made his own church so he could get a divorce.)
2. "We don't want to promote the 'gay agenda'"
Did you see a form of media in the last 40 years?
There's a gay person involved. Doesn't mean they smack you in the face with it. Most Artists (singers, writers, actors, etc...) understand that the bedroom talk should remain in the bedroom.
3. "...but we don't want a gay representing America."
"We don't HAVE a gay problem (in our country)." -Iran's president.
4. "...but we don't want a gay representing a hero."
Too late, Brandon Routh's already done it. And if you didn't know that, forget I said anything.
5. "...but the children will think it's okay to be gay."
...Ya got me. I know that being in an empty relationship with someone of the opposite sex is SO much more meaningful than sharing a real connection between two people of the same sex.
Hey Timzer, thanks for coming out. It takes courage.
Jolly Rogers.
P.S.: Paul Walker for Steve Rogers/Cap. Shia?
P.P.S.: Iron Man without the substance abuse, being played by Downey? I didn't see the point. I was wrong. Still thankful that Tom Cruise dropped the ball.
P.P.P.S: (Post post post script) MAGNETO'S GAY?
p... aw fergit it.
Quote: Controversy has no place in a movie that sells products for kids anyway.
"look hon, another ad for Batman's rapid-fire utility belt, we should take our 3 year old to see 'the Dark Knight'."
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Quote: "...but we don't want a gay representing a hero."
Too late, Brandon Routh's already done it. And if you didn't know that, forget I said anything.
How can you say he's gay? The man is married.
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A gay Cap huh?
Hard to imagine the implication. It's not like he can't maintain a relationship with a woman.
Or has (red) skeletons in his closet.
Or wears thigh-high boots rolled down in a fashion statement.
Or cross-dresses as an old woman (and Bucky as a lollipop wielding school boy) within the first 4 issues of his comic book.
Or hangs out with a flaming android and speedo-clad Queen, (Namor's a king after all).
Or does gymnastics in his free time. (not gay, just stereotyped.)
No, 'cuz that would make him propaganda...er, GAY propaganda.
For future reference you can make ANY hero look gay, even the mighty Thor (An ass-guardian) so understand that I mean no disrespect to the 67 year old icon, nor do I intend that He's gay.
...Just Metrosexual (kidding) Jolly Rogers
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Quote: How can you say he's gay? The man is married.
...because he came out just prior to the premiere?
I'll get back to you with my source.
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Oh, I guess he changed his mind. I first heard about it on the radio just prior to it hitting theaters. Apparently, the AP has "recinded" previous claims. Although, I thought I read about it in Wizard.
So he's happily married. Good for him.
Tom Cruise is married too.
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Tom Brady as Captain America. Yes? No?
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Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
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Quote: Except for the Tom Brady part. I don't that guy anywhere near the Cap movie …
DUH! Tom Brady?
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I see this is a sensitive subject. I mean no offense to any individuals, but I have my moral beliefs as I'm sure you all have yours.
But this Torchwood guy is on the other side of the world as compared to my belief system. I just want a nice safe non-politically, morally, or otherwise divisive pick for Cap that I can watch on screen and just enjoy the movie. That's all. I just want to enjoy the movie.
As far as gays playing movies in general. I don't care, but this isn't a general movie or a general character. I still don't agree with that whole activist movement, but I don't care about individuals making a living.
I like that guy that played Uncle Arthur on Bewitched even though he ended up gay. I still wouldn't want him to play Captain America if he was still alive.
Can you imagine Uncle Arthur as Captain America?
I could go on and on about this subject, but the gist is torchwood guy no way in the world I pay to see him as Cap.
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Uncle Arthur as Captain America??????????? Good Grief!!!!!!!!!!!
I think you and I are on the same page for belief system, Tim. I don't want to see the movie made into an activist propaganda film, and I don't want idiots who have no idea of the character Captain America, take the title of the film and try to tear it down as many of them wish to tear down what America is.
I just want the best actor to play Captain America. With all the facets to Steve Rogers and Captain America, it's going to take a top actor! I want a well, well, well written, produced, directed, and acted film! I don't want much do I?
As far as Mr. Barrowman, whatever his beliefs, HE IS SIMPLY NOT A VERY GOOD ACTOR!
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Just in case somebody doesn't know who Uncle Arthur is.
Yes, Ian McKellan is very open about his homosexuality. Think about this one; in Fellowship of the Ring, you see him smoking a pipe AND walking around with a big pole. Pole + smoker = ...ah, this joke is too easy. Also, Gandalf got along with the Hobbits really well, and at the end of Return of the King Sam gave Frodo that look while he's in bed... *cue porn music.* Unfortunately, as a Browns fan I would have to firebomb Tom Brady if he played Cap. Sorry.
Tim:
You bring up Uncle Arthur, because he turned out to be gay. Let's use a gay actor that's a little better fitting. If during the 1950s they had decided to do a Captain America movie, and Rock Hudson had played him, would you have been upset? Certainly not at the time, because nobody knew he was gay (actually, in 1955 he got married for three years... how long has Routh been married?). Now, though, looking back, we'd all be laughing. "Hey, maybe Robert Reed from the Brady Bunch should've played Bucky along with gay Cap!" Would that have changed the movie, though? I doubt it. I'm not saying it would have been good, but the actor's sexuality would not have changed it.
Life in the spotlight that actors live under can be harsh, because that's one goddamn powerful light. Look hard enough, and you'll find something wrong with just about every actor out there.
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Not every actor. There's a few actors out there that are actually respectable--nothing wrong with them. Nothing at all.
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Stars:
Some of these actors just started, you can't expect them to be good.
Stallone, been around for awhile, he's good actor, so on.
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I always liked and respected Charlton Heston. He was a good man.
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Quote: I always liked and respected Charlton Heston. He was a good man
That's what I'm saying.
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Mr. T is cool too.
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I pity the fool...
Mr T to play Captain America?
As for the Bible forbidding a lot of things that are accepted as "normal" today? That says a lot about society and the people therein, and nothing at all about the Bible. Old Henry did split with the Roman Catholic Church, in effect creating an English Catholic Church with himself at the head, but I'm pretty sure it was under Elizabeth his daughter that it became Anglican. Meanwhile your argument is fallacious. If the Bible says that theft is wrong, and I steal, theft is still wrong.
Biblical morality gets a little more complicated because there are at least three types of law covered in the Bible. There are universal moral laws such as "don't murder" or "don't steal" or "don't engage in sexual relations with anyone you're not married to". It also contains culturally appropriate laws based on universal moral principles such as those commanding the placing of a rail around a roof. This is because those people used the flat roof of their houses in the same way we would use a balcony and the moral law that required it was the preventing of death through falling off the roof. Then there are culturally appropriate laws based on purity principles that we don't use today, such as forbidding the mixing of materials in clothing.
Back on topic, John Barrowman just isn't Captain America. That has nothing to do with his sexual proclivities and everything to do with the fact that he's not the actor for the job. I'd have said the same thing before I learned where he stood. Sir Ian McKellen on the other hand was Gandalf. I don't know of any actor who could have played that part so well.
Sir Ian did seem to take his role in The DaVinci Code a bit too seriously though. Considering the source material for the movie was a bodged up mess of untruths (about on a par with Zeitgeist or The God Who Wasn't There) his acting talent was wasted in that role. He should have played it for comic effect.
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Quote: Mr T to play Captain America?
No, no. I was just talking about respectable actors.
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Quote: Mr T to play Captain America?
He would be a good Black Captain America.
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Quote: Hey Timzer, thanks for coming out. It takes courage.
Jolly Rogers.
P.S.: Paul Walker for Steve Rogers/Cap.
Shia?
Thumbs up to both your points...and thanks.
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Quote: Gandalf got along with the Hobbits really well, and at the end of Return of the King Sam gave Frodo that look while he's in bed... *cue porn music.*
So I'm NOT the only one that thought that. Yeah, nothing like a hobbit 4-way to lighten the mood.
All hobbits were at least 18 at the time of filming.
(shiver) Okay, I just disgusted myself. Jolly Rogers
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You really want to be disgusted by Hobbit love? Watch Clerks 2, and see how Randall/Kevin Smith thinks that movie should have ended...
The depravity of Lord of the Rings almost prepares you for the donkey show later on in the movie... almost.
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EWWWWWWW! Gross!
I didn't read any extra curricular in LOTR.
You know if Charlton Heston had not died and was a whole lot younger, now that would have been an actor who could have played Captain America!
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ok, look...i'm 52..so i'm out of "fanboy" age range by a long shot.....been a cap fan for as long as i can remember...got my original avengers #4 and tales of suspense # 59 ,bought off the spinner rack, to prove it...
folks, i really think that paul walker is as close as we're going to get....they're going to have to bulk and buff 'im up some....but i really do think that he can do it...
i hope that they give him a shot....i've been waiting for this movie a looong time.....
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Quote: folks, i really think that paul walker is as close as we're going to get....they're going to have to bulk and buff 'im up some....but i really do think that he can do it...
"folks, i really think that paul walker is as close as we're going to get....they're going to have to bulk and buff 'im up some....but i really do think that he can do it... " Balh,blah,blah,blah, all I hear is B.S. Paul Walker? We can get way closer than that, trust me.
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Quote: You know if Charlton Heston had not died and was a whole lot younger, now that would have been an actor who could have played Captain America!
I've thought about that before. I always thought that Charlton Heston would have made a great Captain America. Not only would he be great for looks and muscle, he was also the type of man that you would want to represent this country.
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Heston as Cap and Ronald Reagan as Nick Fury. Now that would have been cool. __________________
