| Posted: 16 May 2008 16:05 |
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Hey all,
Somewhat new to the board but here through research efforts. Don't want to give exact info on who we are or our background, other than to say that we are a production company and we do have enough financial backing to put up about 80% of any comic book movie budget.
We are in the process right now of developing two separate possible stories for Captain America. One is a straightforward origin story. 99% WWII war movie, told as close to cannon as reasonably possible. The two hang-ups with the cannon are having America's greatest patriot gain his ability through what is essentially steroid use considering today's steroid climate, and the level of evil exuded by the German's/Axis forces considering that overseas marketability is vital in this day and age. What we have in the works overcomes both these obstacles without upsetting legacy fans.
The second version is what we'd refer to as the Ultimates Captain America story. He is a man without a solo title in the Ultimates series, but there is a definite story to be told chronicling the period between the opening pages of Ultimates Volume 1 and his defacto leadership of the team. This version allows for the Sam Jackson version of Nick Fury to be featured heavily as the co-star and opens the door for a number of cameos, which will set up and tie into the Avengers movie quite well.
Both are being written with concern for the legacy fan and in much haste. We are in the works to at least have our opportunity to deliver and pitch our product to the appropriate names/faces at Marvel - what happens from there would be up to us to sell and them to buy into, but we feel coming to the table with two script options, a viable leading actor, a filmed featurette, and $80-100M in funding may help us out.
We've lurked the site for a long time now and thought we'd stop in and say hi.
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| Posted: 17 May 2008 04:03 |
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How abut Stem cell or somatic cells, these cells exist in the fetus's embilical cord and are progammed to become tissues, blood, organs, etc. It would seem that a young, frail individual would be an ideal subject since it would show how the formula would develop his muscles, constitution, agility and thought processes. Over the years, Steve Rogers had been injected by needles, drank potions, and subjected to rigorous excercise programs. That vita ray thingamajig could be a ray that programmed the somatic cells to enhance and improve his body. Nowadays, these cells are being researched for helping a series of mental debilitating diseases like Parkinson and physical diseases like spinal defects. In 1940, scientists knew about microbes and cells that can harm living beings, if anyone wanted to look into the research of Typhoid and the origins of cleanliness in New York in the turn of the century, so stem cells could've been thought or named something else and used in the super soldier serum.
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| Posted: 18 May 2008 00:32 Last Edited By: JamesOnly |
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Interesting. I never thought of the origin of captain america possibly being misconstrued as steroid use. Though its a valid point, I don't think it would be seen in a negative light by the vast majority. Captain America is an icon.
From what I'd been reading, the studio plans to film Captain America and the Avengers film simultaneously? I strongly believe that the first film should focus on the origin and the 1940s and it should end with the war won and the hero lost.
As for another way to attempt "Operation Rebirth", you could go with genetic alteration with or without the use of nanomachines. Same concept of changing the man's physical being but without using the "steroid" angle. I'd read stories pertaining to clones and the like which delved into that territory. As a young patriot, Steve Rogers said he was willing to do anything to help in the war effort to defeat the nazis.
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| Posted: 18 May 2008 23:35 |
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Somehow I can't see nano technology in the 1940s.
Personally, SME (can I just call you Smee?), I see your second version being a good idea for a comic mini-series, but I don't think it would be the smoothest idea for most people's first impression of Cap. It might seem to convoluted.
Remember that, as amazing as it seems to comic fans in general and Cap fans in particular, most people outside the genre (re: the people Marvel wants to get the most money from) don't know who the hell Captain America is. They may have a vague idea at best, but many don't even have that. Whatever the script ends up as, you cannot assume that the people viewing the movie have ANY info about Cap! It literally has to be a start from scratch. This is why I think an entirely WWII movie is necessary, to show how big a part of the war effort Cap really was, so that when he appears in the present, he is given his due respect.
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| Posted: 21 May 2008 03:29 |
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Anyone who's been reading Marvel or have been watching their movies, knows one thing about Marvel that made them accessable and relateable to the audience or even to the general audience, Marvel superheroes are NOT PERFECT! Spidey/Peter was a teen who got super powers and thought he could make tons of money, become a media star and beat up the bullies, Iron man/Tony Stark, sold weapons to America (In the comics during Viet Nam, and movie to Afghanistan), Daredevil movie, the guy was going around beating up thugs and lowlifes, he even let a rapist fall in front of a subway train.
Yes the steroid thing has given Human enhancements a bad rep, but what about the benefits it provides for muscle and bone mass loss in people suffering from those diseases. Plus, they used these stuff to win money and find an edge in healthy sporting competition. Cap was created because the world was threatened by a tyrannical-thinking, superior nation (The Nazi moved into the Ukraine, killed their leaders and stripped them of their food and resources, I'm trying to be PC about this historical item, I don't think all Germans are bad).
When I was child, I rode in a school bus with other children with physical limitations. One boy, who had no use of his legs, loved the Six Million Dollar man, and thought that one day, he would get bionic legs. That's what I want out of human enhancements. That is why Cap should be a frail young man requiring human enhancement to fight in a war, combat a tyrannical empire and battle evil. It is his will and character that kept him from using those abilities selfishly, and continues serving and helping his nation.
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| Posted: 21 May 2008 10:29 |
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The movie wouldn't do half as well over seas either way. I say stick to Marvels guns. I would only hope that such a deformation of a legend would only be responded to with no less than a boycott. The hulk is blasted with gamma ray... gamma being the only of the three types of radiation that will destroy cells from the outside, easily, and people never questoned that. I think that the fact that the movie will have a parental rating on it can show that it will be seen as what it is, fiction. I like the idea of a bunch of cameos, but Cap's movie cannot be told in flashbacks. You might as well call it something else, Like Avengers rologue or something. Listen to the fans, not politians.
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| Posted: 17 Jun 2008 00:35 |
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UPDATE: Per info through Marvel, we went the origin story route, and have what we feel is a viable treatment being backed up by an even more viable script. We have financial commitment to cover as much as 80% of production costs which would greatly reduce Marvel's risk, as well as what we feel is a great lead (a relative newcomer - not quite their present intention, but this guy is perfect.) At the moment, we are in the process of finalizing a meeting opportunity with Marvel.
While our goal is to lock it down and play an integral part in the process, our company is, at it's base a talent management company - so everything we are doing is an attempt to stack the deck for the actor we want for the role.
More to come!
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| Posted: 18 Jun 2008 06:11 |
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I don't mind the super-soldier serum either. Even if today we view that as unethical, that doesn't mean the character himself can't get the audience's sympathy.
However, I'm not a purist; I'd be open to an alteration of the origin - make it a technological advancement of some kind, and let there be some valid reason for trying it out (e.g., an injured Steve Rogers will die without it; maybe the "solution" is a medical advance that the military coopts for wartime use).
As to a suggested actor: Michael Fassbender, who played Stelios in 300.
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| Posted: 18 Jun 2008 21:43 |
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We figured out how to not only use the Super Soldier Serum, but how to properly incorporate the Red Skull without it being ultra-cheese (I mean, a guy who walks around with a giant red skull for a head needs explanation, right?) as well as playing up the "fighting an enemy" vs. "fighting the evil Germans."
I really like the material that we have right now.
This is our guy: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2728293/bio
He does have hair, and it's blond.
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| Posted: 20 Jun 2008 16:07 |
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Well, by seeing Incredible Hulk, we know they're going to use the Serum, so that argument is moot...
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| Posted: 20 Jun 2008 16:48 |
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Yea, looks like Shon Lange would be a good Red Skull, not Cap. His head is too long and it would look awkward in the mask. Trust me. Check out Wade Harlan for Cap. He should be the guy.
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