| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 13:56 |
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Lets have some fun and discuss if you have any ideas on how Marvel will ressurrect Cap, or any guess or suspicion on what Marvel will do to ressurrect Cap.
My latest theory is that Cap transferred his mind and essence into Iron man, like the Red Skull jumped into Lukin's mind. Cap was still satuated with Cosmic Cube power which was making him relive past events in those early Brubaker's books. Plus, in the latest book, #30 (I think) The Skull was testing Bucky/Winter Soldier to see if he was going to kill, if he didn't than he would know Cap was hiding in him. Plus, check out Tony Stark's rantings, sounds like he's talking to someone. It'll be interesting since Tony had a rich, privileged life and he'll be seeing Cap's childhood, growing up in proverty in New York's lower east side. Also, if you examined Cap's death, he just gave up in the ambulance ride. I don't think Cap would just roll over and die even when there's three bullets in him and suffering from excruciating pain.
What do you guys think?
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 14:25 |
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Vincent,
Cool Cosmic Cube idea! Very Star Trek 3! Let's hope the real story is that good! My take would be one of two ways: 1.) My first choice would be that SHIELD/Nick Fury finds a way to re-vamp the old Infinity Formula (sythesized from his own blood?) or maybe they track down the Destroyer/1950's Cap version of the Super Soldier Serum and injects Cap (whose metabolism has been sustained by original SSS) Various and sundry processeses happen (Vita-Rays anyone?) and Cap has a re-birth(pardon the pun!). I like the old school Busiek-esque flavor of that one!
2.) Perhaps more esoteric, I would have Dr. Strange descend once into the bowels of Hell (ala the Mignola masterpiece wtih Strange/Doom) and quest after Steve Rogers' spirit. Maybe Winter Soldier could tag along and trade places with Rogers as an attempt to atone for his crimes?
Those are my takes. Who else has some?Quote:
Let's rap for Cap!!
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| Posted: 05 Oct 2007 15:17 |
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I'm not sure how I'd like it to happen, because, quite frankly, as much as I love the character, death should mean something more than just, oh, never mind, he'll be back. I would have proffered if it didn't happen at all, but does death mean anything if it can just be fixed.
OK, enough of the downer seriousness, because hey, it's just a comic book after all. So here goes...
How I think it will happen has been alluded to in other corners of this bulletin board. (How's that for a retro look at this modern Internet?) It looks like they'll grab Cap from earlier in time or a parallel place and bring him into present MU. (616 is it?)
Course that begs further questions like, well if he skips over the 50s 60s 70s and 80s AND 90s (and most of the 00s), did all that other stuff even happen? Two things on that: Marvel was never one for making much sense out of continuity; given my theories on what would happen if one were to time travel, I don't think it would negate anything that has happened. But this isn't hyperphysics/timetravel.com, so I'll just leave it at that.
Having said all that, I vote for cosmic cube event.
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| Posted: 07 Oct 2007 20:01 |
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I'm hoping the one that was shot was a LMD.
__________________Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.
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| Posted: 08 Oct 2007 11:14 |
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I have been a Cap reader ever since the avengers revived him back in the early sixties and Brubaker started me thinking when he commented that there was never a book where we really saw Bucky die. If you go back and look at the art in Avengers #4 you'll see that Cap's Army uniform was just rags draping over his costume. When he is telling the Avengers the story of his last mission you see only a silhouette of him after he has started sinking in the water.
Now my two points:
1. His uniform is shredded which you could guess that he bore a good amount of serious injuries from the explosion.
2. The silhouette of his body. We don't know if at that time he may have been fatally injured or if his body had lost the super soldier serum as we cannot see him.
My theory is that the same thing happened then as now but the emersion in the cold water slowed his body from deteriorating while the supersoldier serum (which left his physical appearance looking as he did before being given the serum) worked at healing the damaged inner wounds.
This would also explain why Namor took the body of his longtime ally so that he and his people could guard it while the body repais itself with the addition of the cold water preventing deterioration.
Last Point: It was called the super soldier serum and the project back in 1940 was called Operation REBIRTH. Take the word rebirth on its own and there you have it.
I could be wrong but I think its a good theory.
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| Posted: 09 Oct 2007 17:06 |
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Wow, that's pretty good... I actually like that version of a Cap comeback.
Did anyone read the interview Ed Brubaker gave where he explained WHY he killed cap? I thought it was a really good reason. In my opinion, it actually made sense and it ALMOST seemed like he is the only person who truly understood what the Captain America character was.
In the context of man out of time... "Cap doesn't need to find America, America needs to find him. I don't think Cap is the one who's off the American path here. I don't think him not knowing about myspace or not caring about Paris Hilton makes him un-American. So I thought about how to write a story where America needs to find Captain America and fr me that's where the whole idea went from being a stunt to being a story that's worth telling." Reprinted in Marvel omnibus Captain America.
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| Posted: 11 Oct 2007 08:00 Last Edited By: KidJustice |
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Greetings All.
How I would return Cap to the world is follow the Current Spirit of the Winter Soldier. None of the bodies in pocession by SHIELD or Namor is Steve it is actually a carefully created copy. As Steve was in the hosptial a four person squad rescues him undetected.
When Steve wakes up he feel okay but sluggish. As he rises to examine his room he catches a glance in the mirror to discover himself suddenly returned to the age when he first took the Super Soldier Serum.
In walks an extreamly beautiful nurse if somewhat amazonian. She explains to Steve that he's been out for quite a bit. That he is not a prisoner but that his benifactors would like to talk to him.
Following her Steve is greeted by greeted by four very special individuals. Chief among them is none other then Dr. Emil Erskin. Also with him are Phineas Horton creator of the Original Human Torch, Berthold Sternberg creator of the Infinaty Formula, and Dr. Myron MacLain creator of cap Shield and Adamantium.
We learn that Erskin did not believe in the trying to artificially improve man kind with Rebirth. He never intended to put that kind of power in any man's hands. That he knew about the spy in the group and actually used that to fake his own death. That over the years Erskin secretly recruited the others.
Together they formed the Freedom Consortium a think tank to be a last ditch effort to save humanity if it should ever be needed. Steve is then introduced to MVP who had not actually died but had been part of the Intitave to gather intelligence. Erskin tells Steve that when he turned himself in Erskin made preperations to get Steve should other heroes fail to do so. When Steve was fatally wounded Erskin went to work sending the Consortiums field team Rogers Raiders to extract him. The team is actually a group of androids built by Horton, greatly improved by the other scientists.
Steve find out that the Consortium has dedicated itself to not acting in the affairs of the world unless it is absolutely neccessary. They have been forced to action only a few times and each time having done so without being discovered by either SHIELD, SWORD, or the Illuminati.
The scientist have all used a combination of the Super Soldier Serum and Infinaty formula so that they are all aging at a rate comparable to that of Wolverine. Erskin Explains that for Cap too has recieved the unique mixture, Erskin Explains that because Steve is the most perfectly intergrated recipeant of the SS formula that Steve is now for all intents and purposes ageless.
Erskin tells Steve how long he has watched Steve and how pround he was of him. Steve is then set about the task of reconditioning himself. He has been given a new uniform created by MacLain who has used his increased life to study and develop both polymers and ceramics. He also returns Steve's Shield to him. Explaining they managed to recover that as well, the one everyone else thinks is the shield is a copy so good only MacLain himself could tell the diffrence.
Steve is now ready to plan his return to the world and now being the consortiums point man and having a resource to even the odds with Shield and Tony and Reed when needed.
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| Posted: 12 Oct 2007 13:06 |
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That's pretty good KidJustice... could we include the Black Widow too, she's probably my favourite female superhero at Marvel and is kind of the dark opposite to Cap.
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| Posted: 13 Oct 2007 13:36 |
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So no-one EVER dies?
I think it's an interesting story line, however I think the Marvel Universe needs to be more simple, not more complicated.
World War Hulk, Civil War, next years Skrull Wars, the initiative, the illuminati, cobination of 3 spider-man titles, (or now 3 issues per month), etc.
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 20:03 |
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I still think what would work is to have Bucky retain the cosmic cube from Lukin and somehow sacrifice himself in order to bring Cap back to life, kind of like a deal with the devil sort of plot. What would make it interesting is the irony involved as well as how Winter Soldier hates what he's become and how America would benefit from Cap's return instead of Bucky being alive thus making Bucky a true hero.
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| Posted: 19 Oct 2007 22:36 |
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All the guys at Marvel get up in the Morning and take a shower and realise it was all a horrible dream
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| Posted: 20 Oct 2007 00:20 |
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From what I understand, talking to a friend of mine who's REALLY into comic books... I mean REALLY REALLY into it... Marvel has absolutely no plans to bring back Steve Rodgers as Captain America.
Not to say Steve Rodgers will stay dead, he just won't be Cap.
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