| Posted: 15 Jul 2007 06:11 |
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The more I think about this, the more I think the Cap movie has to seperate itself from recent offerings like Fantastic Four/Surfer, 300, Ghost Rider, Elektra, X-Men 3, Hulk and so on. The general public seems to be getting tired of the fancy opening credits, fantastic accidents that give heroes super powers and thin stories or complex plots.
Spider-Man 3 was criticized for having too much going on at once - same for Pirates of the Carribean 3. Transformers is being praised for its action, but reviled for some cheesiness.
What made Batman Begins so delicously good was how grounded it was in reality. You could say the NBC Show "Heroes" has characters grounded in reality, even if their powers are way out of whack. That's where USA's "The 4400" falls a little short of "Heroes" - the characters aren't as developed.
What I am driving at is this: why not make the Cap movie a military movie? Separate it from what people will expect: a guy in tights with a CGI shield that bounces around in unbelievable richochet patterns.
The first act should be a period piece about the origin of Steve Rogers and WWII. The second act is about the complications of waking up in a post-9/11 America that is mired in an Iraq war it can't seem to win, while al Qaeda and even the Taliban have regrouped all over the Middle East. The third act is all about what Cap is asked to do about it: does he fight without question, does he fight and come back with questions, does he question the decision to fight in Iraq versus Afghanistan, Syria or Iran?
Consider the following things that can be done to make a Cap movie that is not your typical CGI superhero fantasy flick:
FANTASY
Cap takes super soldier serum & exposure to vita rays
REALITY
Cap is treated for his illness for weeks and takes early versions of human growth hormone and steroids all while training and eating complex proteins/carbs - an homage to the pulp novel "Captain America & The Great Gold Steal"
FANTASY
A CGI Shield that magically hits every bad guy and flies back into his hand - it is never even scratched and remains glossy
REALITY
A real shield shot with practical in-camera special effects, he hits one bad guy at a time and has to chase after his shield to retrieve it - and it can sustain scratches and paint wear & tear
FANTASY
Cap fights a hackneyed super villain like Batrock or Baron Zemo
REALITY
Cap fights a Nazi with an irradiated, disfigured, burned face codenamed "Red Skull" along with other regular old Nazis - and then he wakes up to fight regular old al Qaeda terrorists all over the Middle East
FANTASY
Cap flies a super jet or rides a super motorcyle
REALITY
Cap rides a chopper in civilian life, but drives a military-grad hummer in battle tgat us equiped with guns, rockets and grenades
FANTASY
Cap in short-shorts, buccaneer boots, chain mail and wings on his mask
REALITY
Cap looks more like a soldier as he does in Ultimates 2 with the helmet/mask with chinstrap - but he needs a kevlar vest and baggy cargo pants to go along with his lace-up combat boots.
FANTASY
Way too much CGI and digital backgrounds
REALITY
Shot in real locations with tons of extras, ala Saving Private Ryan & Pearl Harbor
FANTASY
Cap talks like Optimus Prime: "One shall stand, one shall fall."
REALITY
CAP talks like a soldier and uses military language and jargon
FANTASY
Cap is a mindless, jingoistic patriot
REALITY
Cap loves America and serves for the freedom of its people, but is not afraid to question its government and its decisions
FANTASY
An alternative rock soundtrack
REALITY
An original score by an orchestra
FANTASY
Bucky Barnes in a domino mask and shorts
REALITY
Sam Jackson as Nick Fury in camoflauge fatigues
FANTASY
Cap doesn't notice the erosion of American values and the raging debates about gay marriage, stem cell research, selling ports to Dubai companies
REALITY
Cap has a hard time with modern-day America and broods over his inability to relate as a man-out-of-time
FANTASY
Steve Rogers is a blonde-blue eyed cardboard cut out
REALITY
Steve Rogers is the irresistable driving force behind Captain America and the reason people discover or fall in love with this awesome character all over again
Are you with me? Reality over fantasy! Say it loud, say it proud, true believers. 'Nuff said.
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| Posted: 15 Jul 2007 06:24 |
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Ultimate Cap is the best Cap. 'Nuff said.
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| Posted: 15 Jul 2007 11:27 |
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I must admit I can go for nearly all of what you have put forward, except, for me the "costume" should look more like "The Costume" it is the garb of Captain America after all.
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| Posted: 15 Jul 2007 15:23 |
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A lot more then you think.
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| Posted: 15 Jul 2007 22:55 |
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At least give me the utility belt, lace-up combat boots & baggy cargo pants. I'll give you the chain mail, red gloves and regular mask.
Deal?
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| Posted: 16 Jul 2007 01:40 |
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Me?
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| Posted: 16 Jul 2007 08:11 |
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Not you Pole, Union Jack.
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| Posted: 16 Jul 2007 14:44 |
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oh *chuckle* good.
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| Posted: 16 Jul 2007 15:39 |
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I think Cap Writer has hit the nail on the head.
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| Posted: 16 Jul 2007 16:30 |
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*tah!*
AWESOME, pour some sugar on me!
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| Posted: 17 Jul 2007 01:00 |
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You mean destroy soem of the things that some of us have loved about Cap for years so that he'll be cooler to the general populace? No thanks.
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| Posted: 17 Jul 2007 06:45 |
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I don't think I'd want to destroy anything. If anything, it'd build up the spirit of Steve Rogers, the true patriot behind the mask. The goal of any movie company is break $100 million. Don't get me wrong, I love Cap, but I don't see a what is essentially a live action cartoon getting the job done for the Marvel Entertainment Company. Saving Private Ryan & Pearl Harbor were wildly succesful - wouldn't you rather see a Cap movie along the lines of those two versus some CGI dreck like Fantastic Four? I say there is room to cling to what you love in the old comics & cartoon serials AND for a movie interepretation of Cap that is profitable.
There are sure to be some tweaks, just like Spider-Man's webs becoming organic versus shooters. So long as the story is strong, fans won't mind. I've said this before and I'll say it again:
Even Joe Quesada has gone on record to say that a Cap movie would not need the uniform or the shield. I say you need both, but just updated enough to serve the movie.
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| Posted: 17 Jul 2007 12:36 |
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Cap writer, No can do! You had a lot of good stuff there, but its the red and white and blue man! Make the costume with as "realistic" materials as poss, but keep it as close as poss. imho
As for Joe Quesada, in this matter I would say he is a plonker!
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I have to say if Cap isn't Cap then they shouldn't do it. If it's just Steve Rogers without a costume I'd be really disapointed.
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| Posted: 17 Jul 2007 19:58 |
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Are we to trust the judgment of the same group of geniuses who decided to kill him off to boost sales? Or , a step removed, some Hollywood wierdo?
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| Posted: 17 Jul 2007 23:15 |
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I agree, Tim it is very disturbing why people do that.
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| Posted: 21 Jul 2007 18:19 |
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I don't agree with Quesada. I believe you need the shield and the uniform ... it's just which uniform? There is the Ultimates interpretation of the WWII uni, the Ultimate updated uni, the very first Jack Kirby uni with the three-point shield and cowl with no neck, and then the uniform we all know and love.
Will they make an amalgam of all four? Who knows. Look at what they did to Batman, Daredevil and Superman's costumes. Some tweaks to be sure, but still very recognizable. It'll be intersting to see what shakes out.
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| Posted: 21 Jul 2007 22:31 |
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I want a round shield. Much cooler. It flies and does the boomerang deal. You just don't get much cooler than that.
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| Posted: 21 Jul 2007 23:53 |
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I want is army shield that's what I wants(the one with a whole bunch of stars.)
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All I have to say is this:
Silver Age Cap that we all know and love:
Steve Rogers is a freelance artist who keeps an apartment in Brooklyn. He dates a liberal chick named Bernie Rosenthal and his best friend looks like a quasi-pimp from Harlem that wears a hideous, feathered green and orange jumpsuit.
Ultimate Cap, which you all seem to hate:
Steve Rogers is a super soldier. Nothing more, nothing less. He lives in the Triskellion Headquarters of SHIELD and does not need to hold a day job. His girlfriend (Wasp) is a superhero running away from an abusive husband. He has no best friend or sidekick, just the constant anxiety of being 60 years out of his time with the love of his life married to an old, non-sidekick Bucky Barnes. Plus, he gets the round shield in modern times!
Tell me which Cap makes for a better movie. I dare you.
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