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The American Civil Liberties Union sued the city of Slidell, La., on Tuesday for displaying a painting of Jesus in a courthouse lobby, saying it violates the constitutional separation of church and state.
Geez louise when will this butt holes at the ACLU get a grip.
The painting has been on display at the courthouse for nearly a decade and hadn't provoked any complaints prior to the ACLU's recent objections, said Michael Johnson, senior legal counsel for the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian civil rights group representing the city and parish.
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I'll bet they get real upset about the Bible verse on the Liberty Bell. Of course, after 40 years of government schools, nobody even knows about that.
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it is true what preacher man said. but you halfe to be a genius. they don't teach anything but guarding.
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| Posted: 05 Jul 2007 22:56 |
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The ACLU should stand for Atheist Communist Losers United
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the ALCU? never heard of it.
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Think of an organization consisting of members like the Red Skull, Dr. Doom, and Lex Luthor with the sole purpose of undermining all morality in the free world. Sort of like the legal version of the Legion of Doom.
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| Posted: 06 Jul 2007 16:58 |
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now i know what your saying!
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| Posted: 06 Jul 2007 18:59 |
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Great analogy, Tim.
Although they aren't entirely worthless. I've actually seen them defend some street preachers and I tend to side with them on domestic surveillance issues, but that's the libertarian in me talking.
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you do? you never told me that!!
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| Posted: 06 Jul 2007 21:29 |
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Although they aren't entirely worthless. Well it's like Lex Luthor pretends to the world to be a responsible business man. He even fooled enough folks to be President. You have to do some good things to pull the wool over the average individual's eyes so you can take over the world.
You see it's a good thing I read so many comic books otherwise I'd be like the general population and never notice these kind of tactics usually employed by supervillains.
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If your talking about supervillains like Red Skull or Doom you mean MEGA supervillains.
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Speaking of separation of church and state... I don't remember seeing that anywhere in The Constitution. The only part I remember is that the state can't establish an official religion. But hey, what did the founders know about making a government that works?
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| Posted: 06 Jul 2007 22:16 Last Edited By: Tim |
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Speaking of separation of church and state... I don't remember seeing that anywhere in The Constitution. Ok I'll pretend to be a liberal here, I think our liberal friends would say something like ---
What I can't believe you! How dare you try to impose religion upon me! Our Founding Fathers didn't even believe in God. That was something Ronald Reagan made up in the 1980's to get votes. I'm appalled, infuriated, and I'm extremely upset! Of all the gall. Man I'm really steamed! I hate you! You people are so hateful and bigotted that I really really hate you.
That's what our liberal buddies are thinking. I thought I'd just beat them to the punch this time. I actually agree with you of course, but the exact wording of the Constitution doesn't seem to matter. After all it's how you feel about it, isn't it? Not what it actually says. At least that's what we are told nowadays.
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
It's funny it seems simple to me, but liberally leaning folks do seem to see something quite different. I don't know how, but maybe I'll understand someday. I just don't think folks want to read the part about not prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
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| Posted: 06 Jul 2007 22:56 Last Edited By: Pole805 |
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Constitution's are usally at the pope or the museums.
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Say what?
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I don't know I'm just saying to my knowlegde constitutions are usaully held in museums. I don't if that's right.
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Oh ok, I was confused when you said they were held at the Pope. I thought you meant the Pope controls constitutions or something.
Yes you are right constitutions and things like that are usually at museums like in the movie National Treasure
Available at Amazon right now
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I love that movie, I own it.
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Who's heading or defending this American Civil liberties union suit? Usually there's an agenda or an alterial motive to these protest to remove or fend of complaints, ... such as a judge once complained about the ten commandments in a courthouse and then later entered into politics upon recognition and promotion of that complaint.
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they don't hold the ten commandmets in the courthouse your thiking of a different kind of courthouse.
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They ruin everything.
We live in a country where pictures of Jesus and the 10 Commandments being displayed offend people.
Burning the Flag and obscene art doesn't offend people.
They paint out the rifle in Harriet Tubman's hand and the cigars the men who founded Hershey's Chocolate were smoking.
This country is so bass-ackwards it's sick.
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That is what tics me off!!!!
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Who's heading or defending this American Civil liberties union suit? Don't know my wife told me about it. She's probably forgotten by now or I'd ask her.
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This country is so bass-ackwards Yeah, people are crazy some times. Sometimes folks get the wrong priorties like 24 hour news coverage of Paris Hilton. Like what happened to her was going to affect my life somehow.
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yeah, true I don't like how they do that.
No one does anything about it!!!!
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What I can't believe you! How dare you try to impose religion upon me! Our Founding Fathers didn't even believe in God. That was something Ronald Reagan made up in the 1980's to get votes. I'm appalled, infuriated, and I'm extremely upset! Of all the gall. Man I'm really steamed! I hate you! You people are so hateful and bigotted that I really really hate you.
That's what our liberal buddies are thinking. I thought I'd just beat them to the punch this time. I actually agree with you of course, but the exact wording of the Constitution doesn't seem to matter. After all it's how you feel about it, isn't it? Not what it actually says. At least that's what we are told nowadays.
Tim, how is this constructive? If you want to know why the country is in sorry shape, look no further than your poisoning of the debate. Would you appreciate it if people were putting words into your mouth or poisoning young kids against you by likening you to the Red Skull?
I hope in your day to day life you're doing something positive for your country. I hope you are somehow making up for the hateful things you're writing about other Americans on this message board. To disagree with an opinion is one thing, but the kind of posts you put up in this thread hurt our country.
Let me give you an example to build on. My best friend is one of the most talented people I've ever met. When we were growing up, there was nothing out of this guy's reach and yet, after graduating from college (which he funded himself) he jumped right into a teaching career at an inner city middle school working with special needs kids. He's not even slacking this summer- he's working with kids who have autism at a camp that helps them develop skills so they can function in the adult world. He's actively working to fix the problems in this country and give some disadvantaged people a chance...
And he is a HUGE liberal.
So really, if your own sacrifice surpasses that- be my guest, go on about how the liberals are ruining your country with their defense of civil liberties and attempts to curb the most pointless war America has ever fought. But if all you do is type and vote for whoever will cut your taxes, then please keep your biased opinions to yourself.
The country doesn't really need more of this right now.
Pole, don't take your political lessons from me and don't take them from the guys on this board. Get out in the world and find out everything you can about both sides. You'll find that when one side or the other says to you "Our side is totally honest, and their side is totally evil", then red lights should go off: you're being lied to. Both sides do it. You have to watch them carefully.
And as for everyone who is SO concerned about the ten commandments or flag burning, try to pretend for a minute that the majority did something YOU didn't like. Would you support a judge reading from the Koran before he threw your pious butts in the slammer? Of course not. Would you want the government getting into your religion and telling the preacher what to say? Of course not. But it has ALL HAPPENED BEFORE. The founders wrote the first amendment the way they did so it wouldn't happen HERE again. Geez, put yourself in someone else's shoes for a change!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I bet none of you were planning a summer vacation to see that Jesus picture or commandments monument and I hope for all the whining you can at least recite the ten commandments upon reading this. No? Then PAINT THEM ON THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE. I will fully support you before the neighborhood association.
Personally, the last thing I want my tax dollars going to is pop culture America's take on my religion. This is the same country that repeatedly shelled out money for Madonna's "Christian statement" songs. Give me break.
You don't think the founders were clear enough? How about this one? "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at Him." Mark 12:17
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me?
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By the way, I think it is worth noting that I have- at least previous to 9/11, seen some good things out of the Republican party in my lifetime. I have seen good things out of conservatism despite the fact that I don't usually agree with it.
I certainly think that Barry Goldwater would have been a better choice than LBJ in 1964- save the passage of the Civil Rights Voting act during Johnson's term.
I certainly think that Bush 41 was the better presidents of the past 40 years in that he made the tough choices that paved the way for 1990's prosperity while cleverly waging a war in the Middle East, something you might notice is no small feat.
I think when Clinton went to the right on matters of trade and welfare reform, the country landed in a safe, smart spot in the middle of the political spectrum.
No big surprise that the 90's were a great time of growth for all Americans and we decisively won 3 wars and some minor conflicts. We owe that to two moderate Presidents with Congressional opposition to their more extreme ideas.
There is no doubt that the Republican preoccupation with individual freedom, low taxes and small government in the late 80's/early 90's helped curb the excesses of a largely successful, but clearly over extended left leaning political cycle stretching back to FDR. Their notions that we shouldn't police the world were not always accurate (would have been nice if Clinton had been thanked for bombing Bin laden instead of accused of wagging the dog) BUT a reluctance to get involved in stupid wars was a good notion. It looks like that one is going to be bi-partisan soon.
The bottom line is that America is neither a liberal or conservative country. It takes both ideologies to succeed and the people who uphold them should respect each other. Tip O'neil and Reagan used to hang out all the time at the end of the day when Congress was in. To split people up and spread lies about each other is harmful to the country. No one learns anything other than their own experience and it stops being about what is best for the country, but what is good for the party.
We have to aim for the right things in this country regardless of party, and sometimes learn to look past the petty little differences like political correctness or what to do about gay people.
John Wayne said it best when JFK was elected over the Duke's personal fav, Richard Nixon:
"Well, I didn't vote for him, but he's my President and I hope he does a good job."
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Would you appreciate it if people were putting words into your mouth They do it to conservatives all the time. Besides I was just repeating what I heard.
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I hope you are somehow making up for the hateful things you're writing about other Americans on this message board Are you basically saying it's mean of me to compare people to Lex Luthor and the Red Skull because I thought it was kind of harmless since you know they don't exist and all.
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Would you want the government getting into your religion and telling the preacher what to say? It's already on the way if not there already in Canada and England over preachers proclaiming gay lifestyles sinful.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I bet none of you were planning a summer vacation to see that Jesus picture or commandments monument What's that got to do with the cost of tea in china?
Basically the constitution requires that no laws be made to respect or prohibit religion. That means no law shall be made either way. So if a guy wants to put up the 10 commandments they shall be no law telling him not too or to do it. It's simple Danny. Even I can understand it.
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We have to aim for the right things in this country regardless of party, and sometimes learn to look past the petty little differences like political correctness or what to do about gay people.
John Wayne said it best when JFK was elected over the Duke's personal fav, Richard Nixon:
"Well, I didn't vote for him, but he's my President and I hope he does a good job." That's all well and good, I can't argue with the Duke but just when do I get to announce that political correctness is communistic, and tell everybody the ACLU is wrong in your opinion without being unAmerican in your book.
I'm getting a terrible feeling that when I say something it's mean and devisive and when you say something negative about my ideas it's the country's salvation. Could it be you are being a tad bit hypocrotical on this pal?
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What I don't like is that there's not that many 9/11 Cap comics.
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They do it to conservatives all the time. Besides I was just repeating what I heard.
Does that make it right? Who controls what you say Tim? Isn't it YOUR job to control what YOU say?
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Are you basically saying it's mean of me to compare people to Lex Luthor and the Red Skull because I thought it was kind of harmless since you know they don't exist and all.
For the guy who runs captainamerica.us and makes money off that merchandise- it is fairly obvious you take comic book characters pretty seriously.
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It's already on the way if not there already in Canada and England over preachers proclaiming gay lifestyles sinful. Bingo. In other countries there is a long history of the government getting way too involved in religion. What country did we ditch in 1776? Right. England.
Do you see how "left vs. right" doesn't matter? Even liberal Europe has suffered from a legacy of church and state mingling. I say religion has enough problems without the government's help and vice versa.
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So if a guy wants to put up the 10 commandments they shall be no law telling him not too or to do it. It's simple Danny. Even I can understand it. You are ignoring the other side of the statement. Just because the religion in question is your own, does not give the state the right to endorse it.
The Amendment works both ways- "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". THEREFORE, just as courts find again and again, the state cannot establish a religion as you repeatedly call for. Putting up pictures in state buildings does that. Putting up religious monuments does that. That isn't getting in your way of your right to make a religious display. You have the freedom to convert this website from one about comic book characters to a religious display at any time.
You do not have the power to make other people pay for your religious monument.
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That's all well and good, I can't argue with the Duke but just when do I get to announce that political correctness is communistic, and tell everybody the ACLU is wrong in your opinion without being unAmerican in your book.
Plenty of people do it every day. I didn't agree with George Will's column this Sunday. He tore apart the New Deal, but since he expressed his point with some class, my disagreement with him would be on points- I've still got nothing against George Will because he didn't insult me, he just disagreed with me.
Maybe it was because he did research instead of assuming what liberals might say... Maybe it was because he didn't compare me to super villains while talking to a young person. (Sorry Pole, I'm not sure how old you are).
Or maybe John Wayne and George Will can fight their battles effectively because they aren't so one sided. Do you honestly believe that liberals are working for the downfall of this country? Cuz thats what you're saying.
Tim, I don't want to "go after" conservatives. I grew up with conservatives. I like some of what conservatives stand for on their better days. I don't even want to go after you, but when you turn every post into an attack on 50% of this country- I have to call you out the hateful things you say. If you want to talk about politics, do so. But knock it off with your divisive bs.
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I'm getting a terrible feeling that when I say something it's mean and devisive and when you say something negative about my ideas it's the country's salvation. Could it be you are being a tad bit hypocrotical on this pal?
This isn't about me, but since you asked- I've gone out of my way to congratulate the other side on the successes it has produced for this country. I'm full of imperfections and attempting every day to do better. I don't pretend that me or "my side" has ALL the answers, because I can recognize each side is out of control without the other. What you think is your business, but I have to speak up when you come out insulting people.
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