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I really hope that is not the case, Frank Castle is the anthesis of Cap, that would be a huge oxymoron.
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Frank Castle does worship Cap though, so it's possible he might try to be Cap anyway.
I tried to put together the events leading up to Cap's death for those who haven't been reading the Civil War, and just came in after finding out Cap's death.
Events Leading to Cap's Death
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There was an issue some twenty years ago where the Punisher was about to destroy some baddies with a bomb, but Cap was in the vicinity. He decided against it. It was a great issue.
Tony Stark...Iron Man.....boy, that relationship may not be the same again. Maybe they will be pals again, but I will not look at Iron Man the same.
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| Posted: 09 Mar 2007 22:54 |
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I don't think Frank Castle has the balls to be cap, especially after all that's transpired between him and Rogers, but at the same time he might just because he's arrogant and feel its the right thing to do.
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| Posted: 10 Mar 2007 00:08 |
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I really hope this does not happen, as at the end of the day it will be the punisher wearing Captain America's uniform, that is just so wrong on so many levels, I would go as far as calling it soiling the uniform.
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| Posted: 10 Mar 2007 01:44 |
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This even appealed to fans who weren't really fans at all. http://camerontyrone.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!529331E9991F830D!16 ...
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| Posted: 10 Mar 2007 02:42 |
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Thanks for posting the view from that web address. That is an interesting perspective with a darker depth than I could have imagined. I do not share the view with that person on many levels.
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| Posted: 10 Mar 2007 08:20 |
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The talk of the punisher is all i hear of frank wearing steves uniform the damn irony of back in he da with the What if the punisher was Captain America issue the Hell with that
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| Posted: 10 Mar 2007 08:24 |
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Also I hate to to know what Jack Kirby would Think of all this And Why would Stan Lee Allow this to happen
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| Posted: 10 Mar 2007 16:29 |
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Is this hate for the Punisher or just fear somebody will replace Cap? Surely Steve Rogers will be back when Cap's comic starts up again in 6 months.
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I Like the Punisher, but there is no way that frank Castle can be Captain America, I think that would be just stretching things to far, as the whole ideal and value of Cap is not what the punisher is all about, true they were both soldiers but that is all their common ground really, imho anyway.
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| Posted: 10 Mar 2007 21:43 |
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i have heard an interesting that would imply that the dead cap was a clone and the original cap is an old man a retired vet from ww2 that there may have been many "captain americas" in the past that have been clones. Another theory is the new lmd's from shield that actually think they are the real person they are imitating. He will return once they are doing milking the profit out of this story that is for sure. And i would expect that winter soldier gets extremely violent after seeing cap killed.
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| Posted: 10 Mar 2007 22:41 |
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I don't ever read the Punisher books. So if he's not in someone else's book I don't catch his stories, but the thing I don't get is why exactly is it that all the other heroes are so down on him. I know he kills bad guys instead of arresting them, but you know in real life good guys and bad guys fight with guns and somebody is going to get shot. You can't just go up to a bad guy with a gun and punch him out unless of course you have super powers or an indestructible shield.
Does he shoot non-lethal crooks too like plain thieves?
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Sooooo...
What happened with the chick at the counter? You gotta work the tattoo brotha!
Oh, and in other news, Cap's dead.
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| Posted: 11 Mar 2007 06:15 |
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And he won't stay dead.
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| Posted: 11 Mar 2007 06:16 |
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Because he's in a comic book.
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| Posted: 11 Mar 2007 06:31 |
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But how about a serious post?
Guys, I know its no fun to have a dead Cap on our hands except...
It kinda is fun. (?!)
"Who the &#(&^! are you the Red Skull?" No fellas, I am a man who might pick up the Captain America book again- because something finally happened. Also, I just saved a ton on my comic book habit.
In all honestly, Ed Brubaker was probably psychologically programed by DC to kill Cap with overly predictable writing. First Jason Todd... I MEAN BUCKY is back from the dead and now the seemingly invincible guy in the blue suit has died? Wow. That is too crazy.
But stuff is happening at least. Colbert got a funny bit in for "The Word" and I will get a small kick out the Punisher in a Cap costume.
I mean, its only sorta like putting John Walker in the Cap costume except the Punisher has a fairly extreme moral code that doesn't deal in shades of grey so... okay, it is EXACTLY like putting Walker in the Cap costume.
But who cares! At least that was a Marvel story and a pretty good one. If you're going to rehash, at least rehash the good stuff. Thats why you'll see a cover band play "Hard to Handle" but not "Ice Ice Baby".
Usually.
Boy, that band tonight was LAO-Z!!
Did I say this was going to be a serious post? Did I say I was gonna have one drink? Ah well....
Goodnbight!
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The word that i got was that "2007 will be all about Captain America", little did i know it would be about the death and the resulting impact of that. My prediction is that Spiderman goes nuts and so does Wolverine.
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| Posted: 11 Mar 2007 08:30 Last Edited By: JamesOnly |
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Here's my tattoo btw.
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| Posted: 11 Mar 2007 14:06 |
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Great Ink man.
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| Posted: 11 Mar 2007 17:24 |
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That tattoo kicks ass.
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| Posted: 11 Mar 2007 17:28 |
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And Why would Stan Lee Allow this to happen Maybe Stan is like George Lucas now. He has so much money he just doesn't really care anymore.
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| Posted: 11 Mar 2007 23:12 |
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Excellent tattoo. Good era of Cap art to pull from.
Actually, I've compared Stan Lee and George Lucas before Corporal America. My theory is that using that much brain wattage early in life melts it by the time you're old.
Lee's takes on the DC heroes were just damn weird. However, I will say this- when I first saw him dressing Batman like a real bat and turning Superman into Captain Kirk, I thought he was senile. As I write this now, it seems like not a terrible idea.
Ever read Ravage 2099? That was just nuts, but now- it makes a lot more sense... maybe the world just wasn't ready for Stan Lee's new stuff. Spider-man was a pretty strange concept when it started.
So, either Lee has stayed a genius, or his brain really is melting and maybe now mine is too.
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Well you know people of genius are usually thought to be crazy at first till everyone else catches up to them. Think about the Wright Brothers. Fly around like a bird in a machine, absurd! 
Seriously though I didn't get to read the new DC versions Stan made, but his Who Wants to be a superhero show rocks. However a recent movie he had on the sci-fi channel featuring a knock off of the flash was terrible. Might not have been a bad idea, but the production quality was terrible.
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Trust me Tim, Stan the man's take on the DC heroes is worth a miss. sadly Nuff said.
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Actually, I've compared Stan Lee and George Lucas before Corporal America. My theory is that using that much brain wattage early in life melts it by the time you're old. I know what you mean. They use up the good ideas early and by the time they're old, their brains are oatmeal.
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Well... I'm not sure that you can still find them (with good reason) but it IS an interesting concept, huh?
If memory serves:
Batman was a young black guy who put on a mask that seriously made him look like a bat. He had whiskers, beady little eyes- the whole 9 yards.
Superman carried a ray gun (there ya go) and had blond hair. I think he was a space cop.
It has been awhile- so if anybody remembers this weird stuff, please feel free to bring us both up to speed here.
Stan has a long history as kind of a weird dude. He's been rocking that toupee since the 60's and he's bound to look like Hunter S Thompson's brother without it. His writing is weird. He seems to wear those sunglasses 24-7. He's a brilliant man, but a bit odd.
Lucas just walled himself up on a ranch, wallowing in his own weirdness until it was time to make a movie and... Whoops! He's crazy and appears to have hired Elvis's old yes men as consultants. Now everyone would rather keep their job than tell him that this Jar Jar BS is not gonna fly.
Apparently that is the worst place a talented person can go to hatch an idea- private ranch. What kind of stuff grows in that desert? Michael Jackson was a nice talented black guy when he set up Neverland. He came out of there a tall freaky Japanese woman matching outfits with McCauly Culkin.
The moral of the story: invent nothing, dance poorly and avoid ranches.
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My brother also pointed this out:
When a band makes their first album, we all say "WOW, these guys are the second coming of the Beatles!"
Then the second album comes out. Its terrible.
My brother's point was that the first album was tried out on audiences and record execs everywhere for maybe 10 years. It was refined and bad stuff was cut out of the setlist, leaving only the best songs to mature and grow.
The second album is written in between wild parties and fun with supermodels, probably 15 minutes before it was recorded on a Burger King wrapper.
So maybe the prequels weren't any good because they didn't have to be. What does George Lucas care? He got our money regardless! He used to have to please the masses and critics or there would be no movie- but not anymore...
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I don't ever read the Punisher books. So if he's not in someone else's book I don't catch his stories, but the thing I don't get is why exactly is it that all the other heroes are so down on him. I know he kills bad guys instead of arresting them, but you know in real life good guys and bad guys fight with guns and somebody is going to get shot. You can't just go up to a bad guy with a gun and punch him out unless of course you have super powers or an indestructible shield.
Does he shoot non-lethal crooks too like plain thieves?
Yeah, actually he did once. Spider-Man had to stop him from killing jaywalkers after some supervillan messed up Castle's mind. Hobgoblin? I can't remember who...
I think the Punisher is great for what he is, and I actually prefer him in other people's books. He's kind of the way the Hulk or Silver Surfer was in the 70's- he ties the marvel universe together through guest appearances.
That is cool, because no one knows how to handle a guy like that. He's only but so wrong, so things get interesting. As Cap- well, I guess we'll find out!
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New poster. I have been away from comics for a while and am just starting to get back in the swing. Captain America brought me to comics. I started collecting during Steve's run as The Captain. As far as Frank Castle being Captain America, I hope it never happens. Frank is an Interesting person and let's be honest he has the skill set for most of what Captain America doesn't have the ability to lead like Steve. To be honest I was never happy with them letting John Walker aka Jack Daniels wear the Captain uniform as U.S. Agent. If they were going to have a current hero take up the mantel of Captain America I'd perfer it be Luke Cage or Sam Wilson unles the write a new character to step in. I know Luke seems like an odd choice but I think more then anyone else Luke got why Cap was fighting against registration. I know typically we think of Captain America being an at least arguably normal human,but the skill he usues to get his job done are not as important to me as the spirit in which he fights. I thik as Luke Cage has grown and developed he can be true to that Spirit. Same goes for Falcon. I think it would be interesting to see two Captain America's one picked by the goverment, and maybe a second by the Secret Avengers. The goverment would probably opt for John Walker as he has proven to be someone that takes following orders if it keeps him being Captain America. Then maybe Cage could recruit someone that they could train up. They could recruit someone and have T'Challa, Punisher, Iron Fist and Shang-Chi train. Maybe even find someone who's already a gifted athlete and enhanced by Wakkandian sythetic version of the Black Panther herb. Yes I really really considered Patriot of Young Avengers but 1. It would take him away form YA, 2. I don't think he's ready yet.
As to Steve's current status I haven't read all the stories that are out there so I only have a few ideas. My first thought though is that regardless of Steve actually died or not it's logicall for the goverment to say he is. After all the last thing Iron Man's group want's is for Cap to get his day in Court. After all trials are public, and you don't want to give Captain America to tell the world why he did what he did, that might get the public thinking in very bad ways regardless of School incident. Not to mention a jury could very well let me go. So that's one consideration. Next wouldn't certain parts of the goverment love the chance to really study Cap see if they can't figure out a way to mass produce the Super Solider Serum.
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