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Captain America Message Board / Captain America Message Board / General Discussion / Marvel shake up going on -- Trouble with WSoldier book???

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Posted:  08 Nov 2011 22:48
Latest news, Marvel's going through some sort of shake-up.  Began with Disney replacing Marvel's Marketing people, ... could replacing the writers be next??  Alpha Flight was announced to be an ongoing, then that was cancelled.  A couple of other projects got cancelled like Destroyers (SheHulk and The Beast join a group of monsters to battle evil),  and Victor Von Doom, a mini series on Doom's origins (Which I was looking forward to,...His mother was a witch,...because I'm really enjoying the Red Skull origin mini).

Winter Soldier comics might get nixed before it could reach us or gather fans and readers.
Posted:  08 Nov 2011 23:27
Cancelations of books isn't uncommon, even books canceled before they get out.  This spate has gotten more notice, I think because Marvel is actually mentioning the ending of the books rather than just letting the books fade away.

Something siilar happened to savage She Hulk, switched between mini to ongoing back to mini.  And more than a few minis wound up with defacto cancelations since (like the 12 or the evil that men do) the continuations of the series just never materialized (actually the Evil that Men do wound up coming out about a year or two later, and 12 is always said to come back but never does).

Still I don't see anything sinister in the recent cancelations.  Like I've said these things happen all the time.
Posted:  09 Nov 2011 07:47
That's co bad, these was good projects and canceled, what's reason behind these big changes?
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Posted:  09 Nov 2011 21:44
I'm thinking DC's event/promotion/attention-grabber 52 thing got DCs books like JLA, Batman and Superman selling 180-200 thousands, while Marvel's event/promotion/attention-grabber Fear Itself barely made 90 thou, .... Sooo, Powers-that-be think a shake-up would get the numbers like DC,....

Economy isn't doing well, parents aren't making much money, not much allowance for the kids to spend; young people not working long enough to have spending money, ... my advice: wait, patience, ... people will eventually work long enough and have plenty of spending money for this hobby.
Posted:  12 Nov 2011 02:36
Part of it is Marvel also did some layoffs the other week and that work load now has to be spread about to the other employees. So maybe some of these cancelled titles will help the burden.

Marvel is also being run from the top by a bean counter. Disney, so far, has been hands off, knowing that that is a good approach with creative people at Pixar, but the guy they got running Marvel has been left alone to run it his way, which involves giving employees just enough resources to run things if even that and no more. He isn't a creative person or an innovator, like someone like Steve Jobs who sat on the Disney board. The guy (sorry I don't have his name available) makes his money by cutting this and that on the micro level rather than innovation into new markets to expand profits (i.e.-Steve Jobs).

Any new series today is a risk. Especially if it isn't part of a franchise like Batman, Avengers, or X-Men. Even in the good days, Cap and any spin-offs could not sustain more than one book over time (Cap & Falcon, Sentinel of Liberty, etc.). So, despite Brubaker's star power, I imagine the Cap & Bucky book and the new W.S. book are on borrowed time.

My fear is that Marvel bean counters WILL look at the NEW 52 and do a hard reboot. To me, that just gets you a 3-6 month gain. DiDio can't keep hitting the reset button so I'll be curious what he does in late 2012 to boost sales because the numbers always decline and, so far, other than ACTION COMICS, the new 52 doesn't seem to have that staying power. They are catering to lapsed 90s fanboys but can they get NEW and younger readers?
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Posted:  12 Nov 2011 19:16
I just saw a cool Computer animated Green Lantern cartoon, and a promo for DC nation (Cartoons on DC heroes and stories) for the Cartoon network.  Plus news of a Computer animated Batman series, more stuff on Bats and Supes movies and a possible GL sequel.
  I was hoping Disney would leave Marvel alone to shake up their own people and books, and concentrate on Marvel heroes outside of the comic medium (So far they're going ahead with Hulk and Aka Jessica Jones tv shows).

Looking for:  Iron Fist movie or a Moon Knight tv show, these shows failed to find a studio, maybe Disney could make them.  Even Nova, the human rocket, could make a cool sci-fi movie.
  Dr. Strange--I'm afraid it might be Harry Potter senior.

For Cap:  A cartoon series or an animated movie (I was getting tired of young Avengers, Young Thor and overloaded with Xmen and Spidey stuff). 1214 is a looong wait for Captain America 2.
Posted:  16 Nov 2011 17:06   Last Edited By: Tim
I've been posting stuff on DC Nation at superherouniverse.com

New commercial for the DC Nation!



Looks pretty cool.
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Posted:  19 Nov 2011 06:22
http://www.craveonline.com/comics/articles/177655-ed-brubaker-tea ...

Good article on the Winter Soldier plans.
Posted:  20 Nov 2011 21:49
I thought Gulag ended too abruptly, ...suddenly Bucky was back in America so he can don the Cap suit and get killed.  Like the Thor/DrDoom saga where the Asgardians were living in Latvaria and then suddenly they had to return to America for that Siege event.

After Cap's death, Batman's death, Human Torch's death, Marvel's boasting killing off characters, ...that really ruin the shock and surprises of 'death of comic book characters'.

I really want to enjoy reading comics, enjoy going on-line and yap about books and stories, ...but what Marvel is doing is 'Death of characters' should shock me, make me go on-line and yell and rant and scream, ...that's MANIPULATION and telling me what to think and feel when reading their books.

I'm hoping Winter Soldier last longer than a year and go on to become one of Marvel's mainstay comics  (Ghost Rider and Black Panther had be axed).
Posted:  22 Nov 2011 20:55
Winter Soldier is starting off with two issue in it's first month. Some people hate the double shipping but, for middle tier books that could be on the cancelation bubble down the road, we get more stories in before the sales decline.
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