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Posted:  17 Sep 2011 08:25
I write Captain America fan fiction and I'd just like to get other people's opinions on why Captain America doesn't use more equipment such as the ones found here
http://www.arsgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/robocop0904_468 ...
which could most likely be written as available in the Marvel Universe.
I have my own reasons and ideas for why he doesn't but input from everyone else would be nice to work with.
Posted:  17 Sep 2011 17:41
In my opinion he doesn't need body armor because he has a shield.  He doesn't need a ranged weapon because he has a shield. As a general principle the more someone has to rely on technology and gear to perform feats the less impressive those feats become. If Cap needed all kinds of tech to get his job done it would diminish him.
Posted:  17 Sep 2011 22:54
Back in the late 70s Cap said he didn't like guns.

Armor would probably weigh Cap down too much. Cap needs mobility to do the things he does.
Posted:  17 Sep 2011 22:56   Last Edited By: PTXWIL
I was reading and older comic a few days ago with cap and Punisher called Blood & Glory, in a part of the story, where they are heading into an island to take care of some crazy dictator. There a scene where Pusnisher bring a bag of a equipment with him and cap says "Quite an arsenal" and to that Punisher responds "You don't believe in weapons?
and cap says "Not That. I just don't need them." And i think that sums it up right there. If  cap needed weapons besides he shield we would have them in his stories. I'm sure we would see more stories including cap using a arsenal of weapons, but because he doesn't really need weapons we don't get does stories. If you look back toward the end Avengers in the issues leading up to Onslaught before they hit the reset button on the marvel universe. Cap is suffering from either the loss of his super soldier serum or something else in that story line we see cap using an armor suit similar to that of iron man because that what the story required since he was losing his serum. I think because he has his super soldier serum that keeps him at the peek of human perfection he doesn't need a suit to protect him because, does suit try to bring us closer to being perfect and hes already perfect so he doesn't need a protective suit of armor.
Posted:  21 Sep 2011 18:31
To Andyjunction:
But that's from a comicbook reader perspective really.  I mean, I love seeing Cap taking out baddies as "just a man" as much as everyone else, but what about the more practical/realistic side?

Cap has used grenades, bombs, flashbangs and many other things.  He even uses a "duraluminum" suit of chainmail which I'm still looking for an explanation as to its qualities.  So why not kevlar?  Or even just an unstable molecule (Fantastic Four) or liquid nano-fiber (Spider-Man's Stark Armor) or vibranium mesh (like Black Panther's becase we all know T'Challa would not refuse Cap this) costume which can take low caliber bullet fire.  How about an on-board computer on his glove like Robin (from the YJ animated series) and a heads-up display in his cowl a since his brain can go through information really quickly anyway.  I mean, mission-wise, it would be the quickest way to send him info as to targets, mission updates and other stuff.  Quicker than having to go through a comm-link or his Avengers Identicard.


To Stars and Stripes:
Would you know which issue that's in?  I'd love to save it for future citation.

My take on it has always been that Cap has admitted that he's more than just a soldier, he's a symbol.  And he knows that many individuals look up to him, especially kids.  So if Cap started toting a gun, christalmighty kids would probably start running around with guns as well thinking "if Cap has one, I should have one too."  Kind of like that Human Torch issue where Johnny found a kid who burned himself alive trying to emulate him.

Also, I have to agree with armor weighing him down.  His technique (after comicbook and scientific analysis) would really capitalize on the power of his physique, specifically on the fact that he doesn't build up fatigue toxins.  So metal or anything too heavy is definitely out of the way.  But like I mentioned above to Andyjunction, what about lightweight comicbook material such as bulletproof unstable molecules (like the one used in Spidey's "Venom" mask in the American Son issues) or the liquid nanofiber of Stark's Spidey Suit or Black Panther's vibranium mesh?  It's not heavy and it would increase Cap's protection.  Something I'm sure he wouldn't deny and which would let make the rest of the Avengers feel safer (since we all know Cap's probably the one member of the team ALL the Avengers love).

To PTXWIL:
Got the issue number for that one?  I want to look it up.  For future citation as well.

Even in the volume 1 Cap Comics, we find that Cap really ditched the side-arm because the shield became everything he needed.  I really don't see Cap needing to use a gun.  Ever.  Except maybe for plot (but even then, terribly unlikely).  But I'm thinking more of the other equipment.  I guess you can just read up on what I wrote above for Andyjunction and Stars and Stripes.

As for the Cap Armor when his SSS serum broke down, I get it was for plot.  Still need to read up on those old issues really to see how the suit worked.  But metallic armor aside, what about tech ala modern-warfare?

Built-in binoculars in his mask.  A nightvision and thermal-vision mode.  A heads-up display for monitoring his vitals and sending in visual info for the mission.  Video recording for playback.  I mean, Cap usually has mission-specific tech like this stashed in his belt depending on the mission as per plot of writers anyway.  So why not just put it all in his cowl?  Comicbook universe tech allows for it anyway.

For his suit, well, the aforementioned bulletproof material.  Add maybe stuff like the vibranium weave in Maverick(Agent Zero)'s uniform which prevented him from making any sounds.

Maybe for his boots, vibranium devices like Black Panther's to allow (and explain better) Cap's uncanny ability of landing on his feet from great heights without injury to himself.  I know he uses his gymnastics techniques and all his other skills to break his fall but like in the Ultimate Avengers movie, he literally lands on the ground from a 30-storey height (although this might be a throwback to the fact that Ulti Cap is physically stronger in some aspects to 616 Cap).  This last one on the boots I can do without really.  But the thought of it helping Cap's emergency "landings" and aiding his tendency to wall run is kinda' practical in my mind.


Everything I've posted is for purely discussion and inquisitive purposes.  I'm not trying to force any of my opinions down anyone's throats.
Posted:  21 Sep 2011 22:55
Quote:
Would you know which issue that's in?  I'd love to save it for future citation.


Look in issue #219. It's the one where Cap is at a movie studio and the actor that's playing Cap has a costume quite unlike the one he wears, plus he has a gun. Cap says "I can't say I'm too happy about the gun he's wearing". That's not the quote I was looking for but if I come across it I will let you know.
Posted:  22 Sep 2011 11:51   Last Edited By: PTXWIL
My citation comes from Punisher, Captain America Blood and Glory the writers are D.G Chichester and Margaret Clark its in volume 2 page 46. The first printing of it was November 1992. I hope that helps you track it down for future reference and citation's.
Posted:  25 Sep 2011 22:49
Why does Hawkeye run around with a bow when his uncanny aim would work just as well with a 50 calibre Desert Eagle? Because without the bow he's not that different to Bullseye or the Punisher. It's a point of difference.

Cap doesn't use mass tech because that's Tony Stark's shtick. Yes, it's comic book justification, but really if we wanted a story where all the characters dressed in similar black kevlar they'd write comic books about it.

Really, it wouldn't be hard for Tony to build armour for the entire Avengers team, perhaps incorporating Pym particles so Wasp and Giant Man could continue changing size in armour. We'd certainly see less "you killed (insert Avenger here), you bastards" moments with the increase in protection. However then it'd be The Iron Avengers, or something like that (not a bad idea from my perspective).

Cap does wear lightweight scale armour in his uniform. When you're dressed in bright primary colours in the middle of a firefight you take what protection you can.
Posted:  28 Sep 2011 17:47   Last Edited By: _thenothing_
My take on Hawkeye has always been that a gun doesn't give him the versatility he needs.  That and he shoots arrows faster than the kickback of a trigger gets back in place.  In the end, it's a weapon of choice.

Well, I totally understand the whole comicbook approach, but I'm really more interested in people's opinions if Cap were real.  Or if comics were real for that matter.  What reasons would there be for a real Cap not to wear stuff like this.  Or what reasons would be there for him to do so but with a little bit of caution.

Stuff like slight technophobia, or a reluctance to the new (like how he has no idea what Facebook is in the comics).

Really, I do get the whole comicbook selling points thing.  More interested really in "real" (note open and close quotations") arguments as to why a supersoldier man-out-of-time would have.
Posted:  01 Oct 2011 08:28
A real Captain America?
He'd use any and all technology he deemed necessary to achieve victory.
Posted:  02 Oct 2011 03:17
If you wanna talk about a real world Captain America then you have to really define how super he is. If his muscle are so dense that if a take a bullet to the chest and it only penetrates the muscle then he wont need that much defensive gear. So his mask would be more like a helmet something that would protect him from a head shot, he would probably wear the boots he does in the Avenger Movie to protect him from getting shot on his slash. Then equipment would be something more like soldier of fortune where you have all this military equipment to gather information but you wouldn't need anything to make him powerful because he is the peek human shape. So as much as he would look cool in a Swat suit i think it would be counter productive for him. The most vital part to protect would be his head so at most some kind of specialize helmet.
Posted:  02 Oct 2011 12:49
Freman:
"A real Captain America?
He'd use any and all technology he deemed necessary to achieve victory."
Even guns?  Dirty bombs?  The Armored Captain America costume which has disappeared into Comicbook limbo?

PTXWIL:
Let's go with what the comics give us and temper it with what we know from real life (science documentaries, personal knowledge on real research, personal experience watching or going against fighters from different fields of martial arts)

1) No fatigue poison build-up
2) Top speed 1 mile per minute
3) Dense bone structure (tough enough to break ice without getting injured) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3pNw8Rq6Po
4) Dense muscle structure (tough enough to take a kick and have opponent heavier weight class opponent get hurt instead) --> Muay Thai trainer at my friend's gym whose leg I've kicked.  Apparently in a free division tournament, his heavier opponent kicked his thigh and sprained his ankle.  I'm pretty sure low caliber bullets would still puncture through that easy though.
5) Faster reflexes and senses
sees faster (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/37849/1465219-680807_640328_ca17016cd2_super_super_super.jpg)
beating an Atlantean in reflex training, can't find the scan
trigonometric sense (how he uses his shield)
see Spider-Man Civil War fight
--> these things are pretty much modern Cap.  Not like him throwing catching a gas-powered torpedo and redirecting it with his bare hands like in the Golden Ages.
6) Combat training (ala Fight Science documentary on Krav Maga.  Able to respond to and disarm an armed opponent in less than a second at point-blank range)

And all the other usual Captain America stuff.

Conceding:
He already has access to conventional equipment.  Mission-specific preparation has been seen in the comics without making him "Batman" overboard in preparation.

What tech would Steve take?  Why?  Why not?

Is he technophobic to a certain extent?  Is he afraid of change?  Reasons (like above mentioned) why he doesn't like guns?

The guns thing for me has always been easy (as above mentioned).  But what about other equipment to ensure safety in certain other situations?  Like Batman and the Robins suits from DC?

Example:
Metal armor is definitely out of the way since it would slow him down.  What about Iron Man armor which uplinks to his neuro-system?  --> No such kind in current continuity.  That's why Tony got the Extremis injection.

Just a free-flowing ideas exchange would be nice.