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Here's the latest on the Border Agents who have been wrongly imprisoned. This is just sad beyond reason. I find myself normally a Bush supporter very angry with our President for not pardoning these agents. This is just wrong. These did their jobs and now they have to rot in jail for shooting a scum bag drug dealer.
I've also put a link to the Pardon the Agents site on the homepage. If America can't get mad about this, then there isn't any hope if you or your neighbor gets unjustly prosecuted. Don't think of this as just the other guy who doesn't affect you. You or a family might be next. Maybe not the same situation obviously, but if political correctness can imprison a border agent for shooting a drug dealer in the butt, what makes you think you are safe?
Anyway here's the story with links.
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On Friday, I spoke with Monica Ramos, imprisoned border agent
Ignacio Ramos's wife. Mrs. Ramos agreed to record a brief
interview to thank Grassfire team members and give you an
update on how her husband and her family are doing. Go here
to listen:
http://www.grassfire.net/r.asp?u=1297&rid=9200895
+ + Day 13
It's been a whirlwind past few weeks for the Ramos family.
Today is day 13 of the imprisonment of agents Ramos and Compean.
Mrs. Ramos has witnessed her husband being taken away to
federal prison and put in solitary confinement in a 9x12
cell with no window, only let out for one hour a day. She
has made a personal appeal to the White House on behalf of
her husband. She met with members of Congress and attended
the State of the Union address. Most heart-wrenching of all,
she has had to answer tough questions from her three young
boys who are struggling to sort through why their daddy is
in prison while an illegal alien drug dealer gets off free
and clear.
+ + 292,785
That's the current count on our "Pardon the Agents" petition.
We are planning a major media announcement when we reach 300,000.
I'd like to ask for your help to rally another 7,215 people
to sign the petition.
Please go here to sign the petition:
http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp?RID=9200895
Also, call the White House today and ask the President to
pardon agents Ramos and Compean:
202-456-1414
+ + Bush: Free up agents "to chase down drug smugglers"
I must say it was painful to hear President Bush say in his
State of the Union address that one of his top goals is to
free up border patrol agents "to chase down drug smugglers,
and criminals, and terrorists." Why, then, are two agents
sitting in prison for doing just that?
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| Posted: 30 Jan 2007 21:05 |
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I TOTALLY agree. This is absurd. I signed the pardon petition on the grassfire site. I can't believe this has gone so far. It is pretty painful to read about and hear it is going on here in our backyard.
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| Posted: 31 Jan 2007 07:35 |
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So much for the war on drugs and securing our borders... they penalize those who do what they're supposed to.....craziness
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| Posted: 31 Jan 2007 19:16 |
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What scares me is if this kind of logic prevails in our justice system, what's next?
Because there really is no logic here at all that I can find, and there is no reason for Bush to not pardon these guys other than he's afraid of being politically incorrect.
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Latest News -
Imprisoned Border Agent Ignacio Ramos was assaulted and beaten
in prison Saturday night following the airing of America's Most
Wanted, Ramos family members confirmed to Grassfire.org yesterday
afternoon.
Agent Ramos told his wife, Monica, that he was kicked multiple
times by up to five men with steel-toe boots, shouting profanities
in Spanish and saying "Kill the Border Agent." The family reported
to us that he had extensive injuries, was bleeding from the ear
and may not have received medical attention for up to 48 hours.
The story was first posted on Grassfire's new FireSociety
community.
http://www.firesociety.com/article/10219
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Man this burns me up. If justice isn't done here soon, Bush goes on my list of crummy Presidents right below Clinton. If there is one thing I can't stand and that's a innoccent guy going to jail for nothing. A hero actually. A guy protecting the American citizens from a drug dealing scum, and they let him get beat up in prison. My God, what's going on here! A scumbag shouldn't get beat up in prison much less a man who is obviously innoccent! We as Americans need to get pissed off about this. Where are all the liberal groups that whine and complain about the least little thing? I guess that only works for special groups. Individuals are out in the cold.
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| Posted: 07 Feb 2007 18:25 Last Edited By: Tim |
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Well I don't believe it, but that same prosecutor that went after the border agents just brought charges against a deputy sheriff for firing his weapon on illegals in a van that he says tried to run him over.
Further he was only aiming at the tires but some richochet of metal or the bullet itself apparently hit one of the illegals.
So he faces up to 10 years in prison. I swear if I was a cop in Texas right now I wouldn't lift a finger to catch a crook or stop illegals. I'd just sit on my butt and collect a check. No way I'd put forth an effort under those kind of circumstances and risk prison. Screw that! I wouldn't even write out tickets because some illegal is liable to point a gun at them and cause them to have to defend themselves and thus get themselves prosecuted. So Mr. President if you want more immigrants then fine you got them, but I bet half the violent criminals in America head out west and half the police force either quits or does nothing all day long. I know I'd quit in a heart beat after this.
Oh and of course the guys in the van were let go.
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I wasn't sure about this at first- but it sounds pretty bad. I can't imagine that this was pushed so far since:
1.) lucky or not- they didn't kill the guy.
2.) He was breaking the law in a variety of ways.
If this thing is being disputed to the degree that it says... why is the border guard sitting in a prison yard full of illegal aliens?
There must be some reason Bush is not focusing on this to any large degree. It hasn't made national news and some republicans are floating the words impeachment to try and get it there. It will be interesting to see where this goes.
I'm not 100% sold this is the whole story- I am not sure why it only turns up in selected places. Apparently there was some sort of cover up involved. If, however, it is as bad as it sounds in the few places I've seen it- something has got to be done.
My sympathies already go out to the border patrol. These guys get no political backup and they're doing dangerous work.
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| Posted: 13 Feb 2007 17:35 Last Edited By: Tim |
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On the Rush Limbaugh show, some dude taking over for Rush while he's away has been talking about this. Apparently the judge and the prosector have been appointed by Bush. The prosecutor has known Bush for a while. This looks bad for the Prez, I'm sorry to say.
I think the reason it's not getting more publicity than it has is due to the fact these guys are cops and our society is down on police.
Individuals don't matter anymore. You have to fit into a special group for anybody to care. America was founded on individual liberty and now it doesn't matter to anyone anymore if a innoccent person goes to jail.
Even if there is something more complicated behind the story, the prez owes it to the public to come clean so as not to ruin the general well being of the faith in our government to be just and fair.
The fact one of these guys got beat up in prison is absurd. Crooks shouldn't get beat up while their serving their time. I don't care if they get beat up while resisting arrest, but not while they are in jail and by other inmates. That's unconstitutional.
For the first time since Bush has been president, he's from the facts I see, done what I feel puts him into a category of politician I can no longer support. I cannot in good conscience support a President that would by all appearances allow two innoccent men to sit in prison for some stupid political reason.
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Latest news from grassfire
As you know, U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton orchestrated
the prosecution of imprisoned Border Patrol agents
Ramos and Compean.
Well, there's another victim of Johnny Sutton --
Gilmer Hernandez, a sheriff's deputy who is now in jail
for trying to stop a van-load of illegals who were
trying to run him over!
Deputy Hernandez' story will be featured this Saturday,
Feb 17, 9pm EST on Fox's America's Most Wanted. Go
here for background info, more on the TV broadcast and
a new petition launched on FireSociety.com by a Grassfire
team member supporting Deputy Hernandez:
http://www.firesociety.com/article/10121/?src=111
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Individuals don't matter anymore. You have to fit into a special group for anybody to care. America was founded on individual liberty and now it doesn't matter to anyone anymore if a innocent person goes to jail.
I can understand the frustration there. Now remember, this guy was convicted of some wrong doing for some reason... and honestly I need to dig deeper into this story to make a judgment. On a more general note thought, there is significant evidence in America toady that justice is bought and individuals can't afford it.
I know I feel like groups don't usually represent people of my political opinions every time I talk candidly with a democratic party leader. Leaders of both parties know on an individual level that what they advocate is only the most whored out version of what they know is right, but the smaller groups that makeup the party turn it into some unholy pursuit of contradictory goals and vision. Republican and Democrat has come to mean an entire ideology. I'm not saying it was okay that they were both more or less street gangs at one point (Lincoln era), but at least ideology took a back seat to what would work.
I wouldn't mind being in a party (have to, just to be in politics) as much if I didn't have to carry around EVERYBODY's agenda like a sign on my forehead. I don't want to be in the abortion argument, the gay rights argument or the anti-smoking argument! But I'm dragged there with my vote against bad foreign policy. I'm sure plenty of middle class or poor republicans wish they could hang onto a conservative social agenda without supporting the same big businesses that invented OJ Simpson's "If I Did It".
I do think that individuals can get some attention for their causes better than ever- in a way. These days, there's a lot of competition for voicing one's opinion. I could never read every insightful blog out there- so why bother reading any? In the end, money talks- the rest is white noise. Case in point: People aren't picking up on this border guard story, even the social anger about it, because it isn't on NBC. (Though Rush DOES have plenty of dough, so I'm still uncertain about this thing).
In the end, despite individual cases of injustice, I do think society is getting very very very slowly better. That guard might have been hung by now in the 1800's. But justice is frustratingly slow. It often doesn't make it in time for individuals.
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| Posted: 19 Feb 2007 19:26 Last Edited By: Tim |
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Well you know if the guy on America's Most Wanted is sticking by these guys, 3 now wrongfully convicted by the same prosecutor in two seperate cases, you know something ain't right somewhere in this case.
I've supported Bush for 6 years, but I will not support a man who would allow, condone, or otherwise inable this sort of injustice. Heck that's why I'm so big into comics. As corny as it may sound I really dig that whole truth, justice, and the American way ideal. I guess Republicans made a mistake by putting Bush up for election to begin with knowing his liberal tendencies. Honesty and a sense of justice are the most important things a politician needs, and it's like usually the worst areas of a modern politician.
I'm more frustated than I've ever been with politics.
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You know I saw this picked up on the NBC Nightly News for a minute. They simply stated that the President wasn't getting involved at the minute and were outta there. I'm not sure why, but I think it goes to show what kind of power a modern president has in setting the daily agenda for the nation. Wild huh? Congress keeps bringing it up though.
Now, I will also mention that the news did not paint such a wonderful picture of the guards. Take it for what you will, but the court seemed to think this was excessive force as the guy was unarmed, running away, and the incident was attempted to be covered up by somebody. I'm still not sure what to think.
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| Posted: 24 Mar 2007 18:55 Last Edited By: Tim |
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I watched it on America's Most Wanted and they pretty much were on the side of the Agents.
Here are some facts to consider.
1.The guy was a drug dealer
2. How did they know he was unarmed?
3. The prosecutor made a deal with the drug dealer for his testimony and before the ink on the paper was dry he was back bringing drugs across the border again. Who would you go after as a prosector? Who is the biggest threat to society? Drug Dealer or Border Agents that shot a bad guy in the butt.
4. The prosecution claims a cover up, but here's the thing and a very very important thing to keep in mind. The supervisor of the men as well as some others were present, and the rules were that a oral report was all that was necessary. So where's the cover up? And the most important fact of all is the fact that what they if it was proven they went too far is that they go on suspension not prison. Worst case scenario they should have fired not put in prison for crying out loud.
I don't know about you sometimes Danny. You have a hard time siding with Bush over attacking a mad man in Iraq, but you have doubts about whether or not Bush is crooked when his prosecutor sends 2 agents to jail for 10 years for shooting a drug dealer in the butt?
I think I know exactly why this is isn't getting the big time coverage it deserves. The libs want to bust Bush any way they can, but not in a area they are in agreement with, and I bet they don't want to have a secure border either if it makes the Mexicans mad.
The Republicans are just too lily livered to go against Bush on this because they know this is bad so bad it could be another big hit to the Republican party possibly bringing down this President.
Think about it what are the Dems waiting on. They are chomping at the bit over crap they have no proof on or legal presidence like whether or not Bush fired Prosecutors. They ought to spend some time figuring out why Bush hired the one that put the agents and a deputy sheriff away.
The Dems are full of political crap, and in this case the Republicans are just plain chicken. Why doesn't anybody have any guts anymore?
There was one guy, a doctor by trade, in the Senate I don't know if he was a dem or republican on 20/20 last night but he was pissing off the senate big time by going against their pork spending. This old senate guy from Alaska practically threatened to committ suicide if he didn't get his as they call it "Bridge to nowhere". All I know is it was literal bridge at a huge cost and didn't really matter a whole bunch.
We need some non-politicians like that doctor guy to start running before this dang politicians spend us into oblivion and ruin us with all their power grabs, and that goes for Nancy and her old school liberal boys too like Ted.
I just had to vent. Now I feel better.
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I don't know about you sometimes Danny. You have a hard time siding with Bush over attacking a mad man in Iraq, but you have doubts about whether or not Bush is crooked when his prosecutor sends 2 agents to jail for 10 years for shooting a drug dealer in the butt?
I think I know exactly why this is isn't getting the big time coverage it deserves. The libs want to bust Bush any way they can, but not in a area they are in agreement with, and I bet they don't want to have a secure border either if it makes the Mexicans mad.
Now hold on Tim. I'm doing exactly what I did over the Iraq question: gathering facts before jumping to conclusions. I don't know much about this case, I have said as much and I am waiting to get a clear presentation of the thing before I jump on a side. The fact is that border agents aren't sent away for nothing. They have plenty of legal resources at their disposal. So something is fishy. That doesn't mean I agree with the prosecutor, it means that I need to look at this thing carefully when I have the time.
Furthermore if the "libs" really wanted to bust Bush on "whatever they can" then they would be more interested in this story. What they have on Alberto Gonzalez seems to be a pretty strong case that keeps growing as the rats push each other off the ship. Do you want the justice department to become a totally politicized office? I don't. You and I have discussed the way power becomes abused in this country many times. Precedent is a big part of that. I don't think you want a hypothetical Hillary Clinton AG prosecuting only republicans. You probably want what I want- justice served regardless of political affiliation.
Hey chief, I know this is your issue, but you're going to have to cool down when it comes to other people being cautious. I haven't got a good understanding of this thing because I am busy 24-7 with research. I really don't need another project, but I'm looking into it as it unfolds.
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The fact is that border agents aren't sent away for nothing I say they were. It doesn't seem that complicated to me.
Look normally I would agree with you that surely they had to be some reason the agents went to jail, surely our court system wouldn't send innoccent people away, but here's the thing dude. People are stupid, and people are power hungry, and yes even evil sometimes.
I don't find it very hard a stretch that the prosecutor is an idiot morally, and that for some unknown political gain the administration thinks it's getting from being super close to Mexico, he prosecutes anything that even looks bad to the Mexican government. It' another example of political correctness gone wild.
I don't have a problem even believing the prosecutor has no conscience. I absolutely have no problem whatsoever believing that a jury could easily be manipulated by what they consider as a just authority figure into doing the government's bidding here. Look the most popular show on TV right now is American Idol, and I don't even want to think about the garbage people put into their heads all day long on daytime TV. Some of these people shouldn't be allowed to vote without at least taking an IQ test.
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