| Posted: 19 Aug 2010 06:52 |
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I seriously hope that when they trot Steve out onto that stage as Captain America for the first time that we can really feel his pain. He's gonna be out there with the classic Kirby suit with those ridiculous wings and buccaneer boots and he's gonna be hating life. I hope the soldiers appear battle-worn, jaded and disinterested in a pep rally, and this hurts Steve, because he'd rather be side by side with his brothers in the trenches. If they go the other way and try to make this bright, glossy and comical, it will not work. It needs to be a little dark and depressing, as to connect with young Steve and his desire to be a true soldier, not a ridiculous mascot.
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| Posted: 19 Aug 2010 06:56 |
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| Posted: 19 Aug 2010 07:32 |
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Duuuuuude. This makes me so excited!!
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| Posted: 20 Aug 2010 08:45 |
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"He's gonna be out there with the classic Kirby suit with those ridiculous wings and buccaneer boots and he's gonna be hating life."
Cap Writer,
First of all, the whole dumb ass USO story line is total crap and you know it. A true fan of the Captain America character should not accept this from these Hollywood hacks.
But what makes this even worse is you taking a shot at Jack Kirby.
The only thing you got right is "classic". You're damn right it's classic and it's iconic!
Cap's classic Kirby uniform has been one of the most recognized in comics for close to 70 years.
Not the Captain/USAgent suit, not Ultimate Cap, not the current "Bucky" Cap or any other variations they have tried to push down our throats can come close to Jack Kirby and Joe Simon's original.
I know that this movie is fantasy but I believe that most of us on this message board want to see the character we have read for many years brought to life on screen with the right story line, the real origin and the right uniform. No USO bulls**t, no red suspenders, etc...
I have been a Cap fan since the 60's when the Avengers found and defrosted him. Myself, along with many fans, have been let down over the years with the tv movies, cartoon variations and that 1990 mess. I know that this movie will also suck with the garbage I'm seeing so far.
Stop drinking the Joe Johnston kool-aid !
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| Posted: 20 Aug 2010 19:00 |
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What's ironic about this story angle to me, is that in the original comics, Bucky was the one who was the mascot trying to rally the troops together in this sort of setting, not Steve.
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| Posted: 20 Aug 2010 22:20 |
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While I prefer something more traditional, I want to see the movie before I judge it. We'll see how the new costume and the USO thing work out.
That being said, Philly, if you want to hate it, fine, but then insinuating that those that DO like it are not true Cap fans is too far, in my book. It isn't a Kool-Aid thing. It's giving people the Freedom to choose what they like. You've been baggin' on this movie and costume for awhile on these boards. Not everyone feels as strongly as you on it.
Also, the "Classic" and the "Original" costumes ARE different. As we know, the cowl wasn't attached and he had a triangular shield in the original appearance. They changed by the 2nd issue but the Golden Age Cap didn't have his belly stripes go completely around and the shield usually had an outer blue ring. By the 1950s, Cap had a red belt with stars on it. Romita also tweaked the shield colors too. Bucky was a blonde too in the late 40s and 50s and his collar was usually yellow since the 40s, retroactively chanced in the 1960s and 70s to red.
When Stan and Jack revived him in the 1960s, the costume was tweaked again to what I consider the classic look; partly because that is what I grew up with and it lasted a number of decades. Byrne tried to get some consistency with the uniform during his run by stating how many stripes one saw with a red stripe coming down from the center of the chest star.
In the last decade, we've seen tweaks to the classic look with an Army belt and treads on the boots to the chain mail becoming more pronounced. Recent interpretations now have the helmet for WWII and other tweaks.
The point with all this being that the costume is dynamic, it changes over time, much like the costumes for Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. The movie is just another look, designed to distinguish its self from other looks to sell more product (it is the movie BUSINESS, after all, and it helps pay for the cost of the film). I'm more concerned about the movie nailing the Essence of the Character than his clothes. I won't know until I see the movie.
December of this year into next will be the 70th anniversary of Captain America. To me, it is a celebration of Cap with people getting excited; between the movie, the comics, and all the trades coming out. It isn't Kool-Aid. It is getting excited about our favorite character. Go into it pissed off and you already know you will hate the movie before it even rolls the credits. Are you trying to drag others into hating it as well?
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Werd, Atomic 99! I'm down with your assesment and detail of the costume evolution over time ... this is just a twist on that evolution - a non-comic book related twist! So if Cap's costume changes for a videogame or a lunchbox, is everyone going to be all pissed off? I would hope not.
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| Posted: 23 Aug 2010 08:58 |
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It looks like I should not take a weekend off.
Thank you, Prof. Atomic, for the history lesson.
Will there be a pop quiz someday this week?
Let me reassure you, I am very much aware of the Captain America character's changes and "tweaks" over the years. I know the whole story about the cowl and his shield.
And of course in the late 40's and 50's it was not Steve Rogers and James "Bucky"(with brown hair)Barnes because both were presumed to be dead.
I am not concerned with the late 40's, 50's or 60's. My concern is how far is Johnston going to stray from the ORIGINAL 1941 story and uniform.
I'll say it again, that uniform (clown costume...red suspenders, what no red bulb nose) sucks!!!
I am however, hoping that this turns out to be a great movie and the perfect lead-in to the Avengers.
I DO NOT want to walk out of the theater next July and be saying along with others, "WTF...that was Captain America??"
Nothing that I have seen, read or heard about this adaptation is encouraging.
Oh and by the way Prof Atomic, I did not appreciate you twisting my words around. There isn't a chance in hell that I would step on any person's freedom to choose or enjoy!
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| Posted: 23 Aug 2010 11:12 |
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"A true fan of the Captain America character should not accept this from these Hollywood hacks."
Meaning what? If we accept it, we are not true fans?
"Stop drinking the Joe Johnston kool-aid!"
Sounds like you are putting down people who are excited for the film and accusing them of drinking the Kool-Aid (aka the poison) if they do. Sure, you won't step on their freedoms, just ridicule them and not respect them.
My point with the "history lesson" is to point out that the costume isn't this sacred thing that has never changed. And there IS a difference between the Classic and the Original. The late 40s and 50s Cap and Bucky were made different people retroactively in the 1970s, as you know. Stan, Romita, and the others were not making those changes because they knew they were different characters.
Thanks for the Professor title though!! I'd tell you when the pop quiz is but then if you knew what day, it wouldn't be a POP quiz, would it? 
We can have an intelligent conversion about this without the digs, right? I don't care for the movie costume either and I don't see a need to deviate from the origin too much. But I've accepted that changes are usually made in retellings and different mediums. I'm giving the movie a shot before I dog it. If you go in pissed off and hating it, chances are you are going to leave that way.
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| Posted: 23 Aug 2010 19:27 Last Edited By: Stars and Stripes |
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I've been trying not to judge this movie before I see it, but everything I hear about it gives me a bad feeling about it. It started out with Chris Evans being cast, but I hope that maybe he'll surprise me. Then it was the costume and how horrible it was. I can only hope that this will only be his WWII uniform and he will go back to his classic costume in The Avengers. Then with all of that stuff that Joe Johnston is saying,like Steve not being a flag-waver, and the film going off in a completely different direction from the comic books, its hard to stay open-minded. I have to say that I haven't heard anything that made me feel any better about this movie being any good.
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| Posted: 23 Aug 2010 20:48 |
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I'm sorry that I was in part giving you a bad impression, ...having a bad feeling going into a movie or trying to enjoy a good book does effect your reaction to the subject, like for example, the general public (and I) were bored or 'had enough' Star Trek when Star Trek Enterprise aired on tv. I sat down to watch that series and forced myself to forget every ST movies and tv series to 'fully enjoy' that version.
Back in 88-89, I haunted and taped Entertainment tonight hoping to catch a glipse of the 21st Century Cap movie, I even bought a Fangoria magazine just to have the 'first pictures' of that movie, and when I first saw that movie on tape in 91, ...my own 'biased' opinions (Or denial that it was a bad movie) prevented me from hating it. After awhile, lots of talk with friends, I've learned to laugh at it, criticize it and willing to listen to bad things about it. But I have to admit that it was fun searching for pics, info and posters on the movie, and the anticipation was enjoyable and gave me something to do.
So, hopefully you'll have fun anticipating for the movie, enjoy our rants and comments on this board or other boards, try to catch latest pics or comments on the movie, etc.
And 3-4 months before the movie comes out, forget everything, forget Evans and everything you read about Captain America, ... and go to the movie hoping to be thrilled, awed and wowwed to action and adventure.
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Atomic, no more digs.
At no time have I intended to ridicule or disrespect any Cap fan.
The thing that ticked me off was Writer calling Jack Kirby's original creation "ridiculous" because he doesn't like the wings and buccaneer boots. In my mind, that was disrespect. As someone who grew up with "King" Kirby and Stan Lee I could not believe what I had read.
That artwork is and always will be the Captain America comic character.
I understand making changes as the years roll along but that "uniform" that Evans will be wearing in the movie, with the exception of the "A" and the Star on the chest, is not even close to Simon & Kirby's WWII Captain America.
I go back and re-read the press releases and Johnston interviews from the past 9 months hoping that I may have missed something that might put a positive spin on this and I find nothing. All I'm left with is a knot in my stomach.
I just want to see this movie done right.
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| Posted: 24 Aug 2010 01:45 |
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I hear ya, Philly. I want it done right too. And I do think it will be Johnston that will make or break the film and not so much Evans or the costume. I hope he gets up for this one, channels his inner Raiders of the Lost Ark and Rocketeer and not just waltz through another job like some of his other films.
Some of the other casting has me hopeful with Hayley Atwill, Hugo Weaving, and Tommy Lee Jones. And maybe Johnston will get inspired by Kenneth Branagh, who seems to be into it and, from the Thor trailer, looks like the movie might be good.
And, I guess, if they screw it up, we can still get a quick reboot as the Hulk, Spider-man, and maybe the FF are proving and maybe they'll take on more fan input about how to do it. What do you think of some of those fan poster mock ups? I thought those costumes were pretty good. Probably more Ultimates-inspired but, at least, a villain isn't going to come up to Cap and snap his suspenders on him!! (yeah, not a fan of that part of the costumer either)
Here's hoping the Avengers and modern Cap uni is the traditional one. I'm a big fan of the wings and boots too as they help define the character's look. I think I read that Alex Ross tried the shiny Bucky Cap uni without the wings and it just did not work. Liefeld got rid of the "A" but it came back. It just works.
Does anyone out there know any info about Jack designing a new costume for Cap in the 1970s? I was reading Evanier's book on Kirby and there is an image of a new design and a brief mention about Jack's new design but no follow up in the text that I could find. I think Jack used it later for another character but it wasn't one of his better designs.
I'm not a fan of online petitions and the ball seems to be rolling with the movie costume if they are designing toys now but do you all think, since they are just filming the movie, that if enough fans voiced their opinions in a petition or something, that we'd get the modern traditional uniform for the end and the Avengers? Might be worth a shot to see if our voices will be heard.
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My take on the costume is I would rather have the same good old costume from the comic book but I'll try to have an open mind enough to enjoy the movie. It just kind of annoys me like a thorn in the side.
To me the point of the movie is not to take Cap and make him more realistic, but to take him and bring him to life as he is in the comics. Ultra realism is impossible anyways. This is a comic book turned sci-fi movie. Realism isn't the point. The point is to create an atmosphere or a world of it's own where the audience doesn't really care because they are so drawn into it. Make it fun. If I wanted another realistic by the numbers war drama there's a million already out.
Still I'm hopeful and looking forward to the movie. It just kind of annoys me the wings aren't there more than anything. It's like Superman without the cape, or Batman without the ears.
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Tim you said it all better than I could have.
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More set pics: More cap set pix & short video!
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