| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 07:38 |
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I don't know if this is an official statement from Marvel regarding the plot. If it is, then I'm a bit tweaked, as I LOVE the original story of how New Yorker Steve Rogers is taken into a dusty old curio shop in the cover of night by secret gov't agents. A woman dressed as a grandma holds a gun and asks for a password in the shadows. They enter the old antique shop and go downstairs ... to a secret high tech lab, a safehouse of sorts, for the feds. If all that is gone now, I'll be a little sad. I love that imagery and mystery of the weakling Steve Rogers following his heart into a very strange situation. Oh well, we'll see how it plays out:
"Based on the Marvel Comics character from World War II. A brave, yet mild-mannered young soldier named Steve Rogers (Chris Evans) volunteers to undergo a series of experiments for a US army Super Soldier program. The military succeeds in transforming him into a human weapon, but quickly decide that their Super Soldier is far too expensive a creation to risk in combat. So, they decide to put him to use as an army celebrity and parade him across Europe to boost morale by performing in USO shows for American troops. He is even given a costume that bear the colors of Old Glory for the stage. Then, when a Nazi plot reveals itself Rogers must rise up and and become the First Avenger, in order to save his country. Steve Rogers becomes Captain America and he earns his way into the hearts and souls of every American, bringing hope and justice to a war-weary nation. Later, during a mission to Germany to stop his archenemy – The Red Skull, from launching rockets at the allies, Captain America sacrifices himself and winds up frozen in ice for almost six decades! Revived, Steve Rogers now must join forces with new heroes and become an Avenger of the modern age."
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 16:56 |
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I like that story.
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 17:02 |
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If, and I repeat If, this turns out to be the story line of this movie, we have lost Captain America!
I can't believe the people at Marvel are letting this happen. First the costume and now this.
I can understand tweaking stories like moving the Iron Man origin from Viet Nam in the 60's to today's Middle East but to totally remake an iconic character whose story has been etched in stone and has been retold a thousand times for close to 70 years is just WRONG !
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| Posted: 31 Jul 2010 00:55 |
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That short description of the Cap movie was first introduced over a year ago. We even ranted about it on this site. Like all first draft of scripts, they go through hundreds of rewrites and reworks before they start shooting.
After the SDCC, all the interviews, I've learned some tidbits on the Cap movie:
1)Cap goes through many costumes and shields.
2)Red Skull hates Hitler
3)They're going to shrink Evans for the preRebirth serum scenes (Not going for the smaller-actor-with-Evans-face-pasted-on)
Not certain on:
1)Namor, Sub-Mariner in the movie, going to look wierd with a naked man walking around the Cap set. Johnson's comment sounded like a joke and he showed no interest in Namor.
2)Red Skull's a scientist, something someone wrote from an interview. To me, the Skull is smart but he's no scientist.
Still no talk or hints on how they're going to do the fights and or the war scenes. The poster is a great proof that we're going to see some cool battle fronts.
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| Posted: 31 Jul 2010 08:31 |
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I remember hearing awhile ago that Cap was going to be doing a USO tour in the movie and that was how he was going to be wearing the original comic book costume. Interesting concept.
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| Posted: 31 Jul 2010 13:17 |
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So far this movie sounds terrible. Awesome.
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| Posted: 31 Jul 2010 20:10 |
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I'm thinking 3 costumes: original Jack Kirby style with triangle shield for the USO tour. Then his own adjustment with suspenders and brown boots/gloves for the WWII battle scenes. After he wakes up in modern times, then he gets the shoulder pads and the utility gauntlets and high tech gadgets for his utility belt.
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2010 00:04 |
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I thought they said this movie wasn't going to get into the modern times? What was the comment "no bookends"?
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2010 01:17 |
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Red Skull's a scientist, something someone wrote from an interview. To me, the Skull is smart but he's no scientist.
Vincent, just because someone is a scientist doesn't make them smart.  But yes, I agree that RS as a scientist doesn't make sense. His strength was organisation, if he wanted someone to do science then he'd order someone to do it, then probably kill them afterwards lest they be inclined to hog the glory.
In the era in which the Skull's origin was set scientists knew their place, I think such an revision is a quiet nod to the modern "Philosopher-King" scientists who want us to obey every whim because "science says so."
The Captain America origin presented here does sound a bit like the Ultimates version. If they go that way I hope they go the whole hog and give him the regular steroid treatments that boost Ultimate Cap over regular Cap (lift 2 tons versus lift 800 pounds).
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| Posted: 01 Aug 2010 11:06 |
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I always thought that the Skull was a User. He uses people, gets what he wants and then destroy civilization. The 'scientist' background could be a lazy plot element added in so they don't have to 'explain' how he came up with the dust of death, or that he was bellboy that Hitler chosed to lead his terrorist squad (Hitler himself was a failed artist turned army Corporal, who was essentially a clerk in the army) ...likewise the 'mild-mannered young soldier' so they don't have to 'explain' growing up in Brooklyn and hiding from bullies aspects of Steve Rogers life. They don't want a huge Character gap--how an ordinary citizen who wants to be an artist just out of the blue decides to join the army, volunteer for a dangerous procedure and becomes a super hero--that only works in comic books, not in movies.
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| Posted: 02 Aug 2010 01:24 |
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I hope they don't go that way Vincent, but I think you're right. They're trying to create small leaps so that the audience buys in early on and they can get on with all the fantastic comicy stuff.
I'm OK with skull being a scientist ... at first, when he's Johan Schmidt. But after that, he has to become a flat out mad man. Hugo said that Skull actually hates Hitler and doesn't think very highly of his Fuhrer. That's cool. I want an angry skull.
YES - there will be "bookends" at the beginning and end. You can bet the movie will end with a more Ultimates feel compared to the hard core WWII stuff that will make up Act 2 of this plot.
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| Posted: 02 Aug 2010 15:01 |
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I'm going to dread the 'bookends', and the 'easter eggs', and the 'ties to the Avengers', signs that Cap is a weak character that can't stand on his own in a movie. Like Iron Man 2, all I'm reading were the easter eggs (Chapman, Oracle, Cap#1 in the briefcase, Thor in jail) someone bragging he/she saw in the movie.
The Red Skull hating Hitler, I would think he tolerated Hitler up until the Nazi took over the world and then the Skull would kill him. Love the Captain America Lives mini-series and TPB.
That's the appeal/theme of Captain America, someone off the street can become someone special or better. That's America, to become more than what you are. Just that nowadays, if you're a nerd at 5, it'll explain why you're a super scientist as an adult.
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| Posted: 02 Aug 2010 23:24 |
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I'm kinda dreadin the whole U.S.O. thing but it is a very clever way to put him in the original kirby costume i must admit. I'm not passing any judgement until i see it. I can't really recall any comic movie besides batman where they stayed totally canon to the comics in regards to origins. They always tweak them in some way or another be it tiny changes or just flat out absurd re-writes. I also have no problem whatsoever if they include namor, toro and the rest of the invaders in this. The movie is predominatly set in WW2 and the invaders were every bit a part of Cap during that time. I have concerns like everyone else i guess but i'm not going to get so worked up about them to the point where i go into this movie with a negative attitude. I'm exited about it and i just hope i'm not let down after i see it. This is supposed to be the flagship film for the Avengers movies so i really think joe jhonston knows what's at stake if he screws this up. Heres hoping!
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| Posted: 06 Aug 2010 06:25 Last Edited By: Cap Writer |
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Cameos and Easter Eggs are OK up to a point. Can you imagine if they try to cram the Howlers, the Invaders AND the Young Allies all into this movie? Too much, way too much.
I want 90% of this flick squarely focused on Steve Rogers and his conflict with the Nazis and Red Skull. Along the way he falls in love, fine. Along the way he fights with other heroes, fine. Along the way Bucky is a sidekick and then he dies, fine.
I'm very excited. The bookends will tie everything together with the other movies, and that's fine so long as the bookends aren't too long. I imagine a 2 hour movie with 10 minute book ends, that leaves 100 minutes of WWII ass-kicking time.
The scenes I want to see the most are the transformation and any battle scene where Cap uses the shield like a boomerang to knock fools out! Man, I can't wait.
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| Posted: 06 Aug 2010 07:45 |
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I just wanted to say, that these cameos (Invaders and/or Howling Commandos) can be so much as photographs, newspapers, or even brief scenes. It doesn't necessarily mean that all of these heroes will be in our face for the duration of the film.
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| Posted: 08 Aug 2010 04:29 |
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With dum-dum Dugan cast and talk of Namor sans wings on his feet, you can bet there's been some investment of screen time in the Howlers and Invaders. I hope you're right, James, and that they are brief scenes and cameos.
I'm curios if Cap on a motorcycle will make it into the movie.
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