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From Superherohype.com:
Captain America: The First Avenger director Joe Johnston told the Los Angeles Times the screen version of the hero will be true to his roots up to a certain point.
"We're sort of putting a slightly different spin on Steve Rogers," said Joe Johnston, "He's a guy that wants to serve his country but he's not a flag-waver. We're reinterpretating sort of what the comic book version of Steve Rogers was."
"He wants to serve his country, but he's not this sort of jingoistic American flag-waver," Johnston added. "He's just a good person. We make a point of that in the script: Don't change who you are once you go from Steve Rogers to this super-soldier, you have to stay who you are inside, that's really what's important more than your strength and everything. It'll be interesting and fun to put a different spin on the character and one that the fans are really going to appreciate."
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This ... doesn't ... feel ... right. I'm not militant about cannon, like most of the overly-prescious comic book nerds out there. But still, Steve Rogers had nothing in life but his passion for America. He was sickly, his mom died, he had no money ... all he had was that flag to love. Why must they take that away too? It's the 1940s, people were still patriotic then!
If Chris Evans comes of as douchey and too-cool-for-school, I'm gonna be really disappointed. The Cap movie that's been playing in my head all these years has been a characters study of the man under the mask: the tortured soul that is Steve Rogers. A man out of time. A man who doesn't fit in as an invalid, or a perfect human specimen. He's a man who can't find love, so he gives all he has to an ideal, to a country and its people.
In my head, the movie is almost a tragedy with depressing 1970s-style Kung Fu music. I can't quite describe it, so I'll quit now.
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| Posted: 23 Jul 2010 13:57 |
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Wow, so far this movie is really turning out to be a nightmare. Whats the point in making a movie about Captain America if you`re gonna take the America out of it? They`ve made his costume so it doesn`t resemble the flag and now he wont be the super-patriot that defines him. Awesome. Like I said, what a nightmare. Im starting to wonder if this is gonna be worth seeing.
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| Posted: 23 Jul 2010 13:58 |
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Oh, I also meant to say, Cap Writer, apparently anything you can come up with is better than what we`re getting. I vote you to redo the film if it flops.
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| Posted: 23 Jul 2010 15:03 |
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Joe Johnston may as well have said "we're not going to give a true representation of Steve Rogers or the attitude of most Americans of the 1940's, we're going to change history for the sake of being politically correct and try not to offend any other nations,even the ones with terrorist who's greatest wish is to destroy America." If this is Johnston's views and the movies way of going they should just make a movie called Captain World and not sully the real legend of Captain America. Oh yeah, it makes me think that Joe Johnston and his "reintepretaion" of Cap will both Suck!
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| Posted: 23 Jul 2010 18:21 |
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From what we know, it sucks. Why the hell would would name a hero Captain America, if he's not a flag waver . A song a dance man was bad, the costume is okay, but this?
What's next?
For over ten years we Cap fans have been waiting for a Cap movie, for that patience we deserve the movie we want.
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| Posted: 23 Jul 2010 18:21 |
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From what we know, it sucks. Why the hell would would name a hero Captain America, if he's not a flag waver . A song a dance man was bad, the costume is okay, but this?
What's next?
For over ten years we Cap fans have been waiting for a Cap movie, for that patience we deserve the movie we want.
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| Posted: 23 Jul 2010 20:01 |
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I like this. Cap doesn't need to be a reactionary "my country, right or wrong" type to be a patriot who loves America. In fact, a lot of the people out there today who claim to be patriots also seem to hate an awful lot about America themselves.
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| Posted: 25 Jul 2010 00:52 |
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This topic covering what Joe Johnston said has not set well with me. Hopefully he didnt mean it in the way I took it but I am outraged. Not just for the possible depiction of Cap but the attitude of our so-called political leaders. America to me is the greatest nation on the face of the earth. By this I am not saying we are any better than people in other lands just that I would never want to live anywhere else. I do not approve of our "leaders" apologizing for things we have not done wrong. It's a shame that they feel this need to tell our boys overseas, yes we want you to fight this war but don't hurt them. What has happened to the views and some of the people here when they send a kid home for wearing an American flag t-shirt but nothing happens to the kids that take down the american flag and raise a mexican one in its place?I am not now, nor have ever been the type of person who measured my friends by hair,skin,eye color or religious beliefs. But at the same time if I am a visitor to another nation I sure as hell don't criticise their policies or beliefs. As a natural born citizen of the U.S.A. I would never dream of flying another flag in front of my home or anywhere for that matter. America has bent over backwards to help other nations less fortunate and God willing will always be able to, that is one of the things that makes this America. The sad part is when our nation or any nation starts bending over forwards which is a sign of defeat or servitude. I think it is well past the time for all Americans to be proud of the fact that they are Americans and we are a nation of freedom.
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| Posted: 25 Jul 2010 21:40 |
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Why don't they just give Cap an all white costume with a huge "UN" symbol on the shield. Jeez, the political correctness drives me insane.
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| Posted: 25 Jul 2010 23:40 |
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JBB,
Very well said! The people of this country better wake up and wise up fast because if this liberal crap continues, it's going to turn out that a comic book character and movie are going to be the least of our problems.
And JamesOnly,
You nailed it too. The "PC" bulls**t is right at the top of the list of reasons, and there are many, that are tearing this country apart from within.
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| Posted: 26 Jul 2010 01:40 |
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Somebody should photoshop that for laughs. =D
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| Posted: 26 Jul 2010 16:25 |
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I always thought that wearing that red, white and blue suit and carrying that shield were enough flag waving. Also, Cap's a doer, he's charging into the battle, fighting crime, leading men, making speeches, while wearing that costume.
A Japanese design adage: Less is more. Given how Cap stands out in that suit, some less is necessary. We'll have to see how Cap orates and operates on screen.
Johnson confirmed that there will be 'bookends'. Wanted a timestamp and into the story, no ties to modern time or the Avengers or Nick Fury, just a cool Captain America movie.
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| Posted: 27 Jul 2010 13:27 |
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JBB, you`re my hero man. As for the movie, if you`re gonna do a Cap film without using the flag in his costume or depicting him as the all-american, may as well just call the film Captain. This seriously disturbs me.
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| Posted: 29 Jul 2010 04:51 |
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Captain America is "THE FLAG WAVER" Steve Rogers character grew up in a time when America was the land and a government that the world looked up to and duplicated all over the planet because it works for the populace at large, Cap is the symbol of the American dream, the embodiment of the notion that one free man, a free American man can make a difference in the world and only free men with good moral values can and open minded views of people can help make the world a better place.
Captain America is a symbol of those who sacrifice there normal lives to defend the freedom of those who cannot defend themselves...
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| Posted: 29 Jul 2010 06:51 |
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I can understand if the director doesn't want a jingoistic movie, ala the Cap cartoons from the 1960s, but there has to be a happy medium between an anti-Axis Powers propaganda machine and 'Steve Rogers is not a flag waver.'
The movie in my mind's eye pretty much starts with newsreels of Hitler's panzer tanks marching on Europe. Steve Rogers is in the audience, and he's inspired to fight against the Nazis. The next morning, the news about Pearl Harbor breaks on the mainland and he can't take it anymore. He knows he'll be rejected because of his fragile body but he goes to enlist anyway. Why? Because he's PATRIOTIC and wants to offer his service in a time of need. Because he wants to wave the flag along with allied nations in order to combat evil. Because it's the right thing to do when you are single American male with nothing to lose. Steve Rogers has nothing ... nothing except love for his country.
I don't see what's so wrong with that. The poor guy is tortured by his circumstances. The super soldier serum process and vita-rays must've hurt like hell. Being alienated as the world's only super soldier specimen must've been emotionally impossible to wrestle with. Ending up lost in time, with no links to the world he knew, must've been a huge mind f*ck. But he endures. Why? Because he's Captain America: the living symbol of freedom and values. It's a burden he bears, because only a patriot like Steve Rogers could carry such an intense burden.
Despite Johnston's comments, I hope Steve Rogers shines through in this movie, otherwise all we have is Chris Evans in a muscle suit and a mask. A mask with no wings ... which I'm very happy about. 
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| Posted: 29 Jul 2010 15:25 |
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I always liked Gruenwald books where Cap gives a speech to the people (Then Flag Smasher broke in and then there were a fight, ...). I thought that 'flag waving' moment was handled great in those books.
Check out Liefield's Heroes Reborn Cap book issue 5 or 6, a one shot, where Cap fought a bad guy (I think Batrok or Modok), where he kept yelling 'America is great' while pounding that guy. I only read it once and have forgotten it.
Or in the Essentials with Falcon, where Cap gave a speech and inspired Falcon to follow him into battle.
Just wanted to hear how those 'flag waving' moments affected you.
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| Posted: 29 Jul 2010 17:18 |
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Well I just want to say that it's all a matter of perspective. Giving the Joe Johnston the benefit of the doubt, he might just be saying that Steve Rogers has an ideal of right and wrong that is above the government. Some people confuse good patriotism with blind obedience to the government. As a Christian, I would put God's moral authority above the government, but I still have a deep love for my country that gave me the right to live by that moral code.
Take for example the Nazis who killed Jews under orders. They were offering blind obedience to their government instead of listening to their conscience.
I think though having said that, Captain America should for the most part have a deep love and respect for all things American. He should by definition have a deep belief in the ideals and principles of the Constitution and in what our founders believed in. If he believed the current leadership was going against that, he might rebel.
That's just giving Johnston the benefit of the doubt mind you. I can't say that he's not some knee jerk liberal that has a bunch of hippy ideas about remaking Cap, but it's really impossible to tell from just a quoted snippet here and there. You can make anybody sound anyway you want them to from a sentence here or there, or imagine just about anything you want about them.
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Very well said, Tim. I also believe in God's moral authority over any government ... and I believe that Steve Rogers would as well. After all, wasn't Luke Sykwalker and his band of rebels technically a traitorous over-throw of the Empire, according to the laws of the Emperor? Yes. But we really know that Luke and co. were doing the right thing by dismantling opression.
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 06:22 |
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This is encouraging -
Notes from the panel:
Director Joe Johnston calls the film “a classic adventure love story with an edge.” he says that his favorite movie of all time is Raiders of the Lost Ark, a movie which he also worked on. He says that Raiders feels as modern today as it did they day it was filmed. This is his goal for Captain America.
Joe says that while he has studied the complete history of the character, he’s a fan of the Brubaker version of the Captain America. So they decided to Borrow certain visual elements from Brubaker version, but are “going a bit more modern than the original.”
Johnston also says that “if we don’t love steve Rogers before he gets transformed, we won’t love him after.”
Filming has been going on for a few weeks now but Chris Evans only started on set five days ago and claims that he “did some nice gentle scenes to get my feet wet.”
Marvel head/producer Kevin Feige admits that Chris has only been in a test version of the suit. The footage from the teaser trailer was filmed at a costume test. “The suit is coming together well but isn’t finished yet.” he says it’s more realistic than the cartoony version of the suit that leaked a month back. “It is something that is unequivocally the Captain America uniform but fits the time period.”
Hugo Weaving says he listed to tapes of Werner Herzog to help him get the voice of Red Skull. He has only worked one day in the mask, and he has “only started” getting to “make the mask work. “
Read more: Comic-Con: Captain America: The First Avenger Panel (Teaser Trailer, Footage and More Revealed) | /Film http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/07/24/comic-con-captain-america-the ...
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| Posted: 30 Jul 2010 06:30 |
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I need to know the whole story to approve, Johnston should've asked true fans too make a good story. I don't trust Joe, besides I didn't care much for Wolfman.
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I can say this much for sure, I really liked what he did on October Sky and that movie is going to have some similarities to Captain America. He really did a bang up job on that flick. Wolf man was ok, it was sort of a fun popcorn flick. I'm not a fan of blood and guts scenes though.
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he says that his favorite movie of all time is Raiders of the Lost Ark, a movie which he also worked on. He says that Raiders feels as modern today as it did they day it was filmed. This is his goal for Captain America.
That's awesome, that is a good sign of encouragement.
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I've a captian american fan since 1979. There were some of the comic book movies that I didn't like but after I saw them they grew on me. I'm a loyal captian American fan sice of the age of 6. Yes I was six years old at the time when Reb brown dawned the Red White and Blue Suit thats when I stared to get in to him as a hero. And When they re did the Captian America movie in the 90's I was still a fan and now I am more of a fan today. Lets just wait and see what it looks like before we past judgment on it.
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I agree, Kandi. It's hard not to get worked up over something we're all so passionate about, so that's a great reminder. I remember watching the Reb Brown 70s stuff when I was like 4 or 5 years old too. I never saw the 1990 until like the year 2000 on VHS, and although it was crap, I was still excited to see it! I think I own a bootleg copy. Why? Because I love Cap. Thanks for the reminder. A Cap movie is better than no Cap movie, so this is all frosting for our cake ... the movie and extra attention for cap will be a big-ass cherry.
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